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Now if we could combine this with what Billy Graham would tell Americans, then the problems would be illuminated.   It's a spiritual and moral compass problem, with implication/indictment of individual values in morality, ethics, character,honor, and sanctity of life and many others.   Its a "heart issue", not guns, health, safety, etc.

Sure fire way to hide from the fuzz....stop breaking the gotdang law. I guarantee my method for ducking speeding tickets works. No cop can catch me. I DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT. They can't get me for DUI either. I drink at home, alone. It's funny how cops ignore you and leave you alone when you obey the law.

I haven't heard the recording or seen the transcript yet but I suspect I'm going to be less than blown away by the veracity with which the NRA is going to defend our rights no matter what was said today. And blaming video games and pop culture... Really? No shit that's the best they could come up with? We don't need more scapegoating or buck-passing. Why not just lay the blame where it belonged and state the fact that this was a f#ed up individual who was intent on hurting people no matter what tool was available? Call him mentally ill, which is what he was. Demand that society start addressing THAT problem rather than foist it off on pop entertainment. I swear... What the hell?!

  No. First person shooter video games need, at the very least, to be M for mature or something. They are not appropriate for impressionable youth. We are training a generation of unstable killers.    The same goes for movies, which at least deal with PG-13 and R ratings. Ultra-violent movies, perhaps, ought to earn X Ratings. Easy enough to culturally adjust.   The first person shooter video-games and movies are very similar in content to the tools used to train soldiers, but without the moral and legal obligation training that surrounds soldier training.   Not all, but enough succumb to this. Some folks advocate for the First Amendment angle on this when in fact they are just video game aficionados or ultra-violent movie lovers making excuses for their own secret vices.   IMO.

  LOL, not sure I would want them taking my blood considering the recent thread about how bad their aim is on the range.   Dolomite

In a nutshell, they're behind us. I'll continue to support them.

"The only way to stop a bad person with a gun is to have a good person with a gun." Bravo.

No. And I don't mean to reprimand you but instead ask that you not consider looking for one. Even if there were loopholes, it does no one any good. We have a fair and just system in TN. It may not be perfect but it is exponentially better than the most of Amerika. PLEASE, support the system by getting your permit. By supporting the system in this manner you make your voice heard as one of a large number. Lawmakers respect numbers. They have to. The larger the number of people supporting a given thing, the greater the power that thing has. If enough participate, the chances of revoking TNs rights to carry diminish.

Yes, 2 loopholes that resemble handcuffs. Oh, wait, it is handcuffs!

It least there's a strong, common sense solution, like it or not. They don't want a guy with a gun, but it's the first thing they call when the shooting starts.

well this week i bought 6 skids of primers and 5 skids of ammo i have not raised any prices yet and will hold all prices till the first of the year

Before I begin, I already saw that 2 or more other postings with different post titles were started on this subject.  No disrespect against those posts, I just thought the titles were not too catchy or have a certain dialoge all of their own.  To me,  this is a very historic speech about something I feel very passionate about, so I thought it deserved a more newsworthy title, and maybe a differnt tone of its own.  So mods. use your own judgment if you want to kill my version (no hurt feelings).   I heard the speech live from work, and I was very impressed.  I even downloaded the speech to re-read, and re-read again, to study and form my own opinion.   In my view, for meaningful action that would have traction, their proposal is the only one that would work.    Below are two versions, the cliff notes version through my prisim, and then the speech unedited:   Cliff Notes Version: How do we protect our children right now, starting today, in a way that we know works? We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by armed Capitol Police officers. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. But since when did the word "gun" automatically become a bad word? A gun in the hands of a Secret Service agent protecting the President isn't a bad word. A gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the United States isn't a bad word. The NRA is going to bring all of its knowledge, dedication and resources to develop a model National School Shield Emergency Response Program for every school that wants it. If we truly cherish our kids more than our money or our celebrities, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible and the security that is only available with a properly trained — armed — good guy. That's a plan of action that can, and will, make a real, positive and indisputable difference in the safety of our children — starting right now.   The Long Version:   NRA PRESS CONFERENCE 12/21/2012 The National Rifle Association's 4 million mothers, fathers, sons and daughters join the nation in horror, outrage, grief and earnest prayer for the families of Newtown, Connecticut ... who suffered such incomprehensible loss as a result of this unspeakable crime.   Out of respect for those grieving families, and until the facts are known, the NRA has refrained from comment. While some have tried to exploit tragedy for political gain, we have remained respectfully silent.   Now, we must speak ... for the safety of our nation's children. Because for all the noise and anger directed at us over the past week, no one — nobody — has addressed the most important, pressing and immediate question we face: How do we protect our children right now, starting today, in a way that we know works?   The only way to answer that question is to face up to the truth. Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them. And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.   How have our nation's priorities gotten so far out of order? Think about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, courthouses — even sports stadiums — are all protected by armed security. We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by armed Capitol Police officers.   Yet when it comes to the most beloved, innocent and vulnerable members of the American family — our children — we as a society leave them utterly defenseless, and the monsters and predators of this world know it and exploit it. That must change now!   The truth is that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters — people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly ever comprehend them. They walk among us every day. And does anybody really believe that the next Adam Lanza isn't planning his attack on a school he's already identified at this very moment? How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame — from a national media machine that rewards them with the wall-to-wall attention and sense of identity that they crave — while provoking others to try to make their mark?   A dozen more killers? A hundred? More? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation's refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?   And the fact is, that wouldn't even begin to address the much larger and more lethal criminal class: Killers, robbers, rapists and drug gang members who have spread like cancer in every community in this country. Meanwhile, federal gun prosecutions have decreased by 40% — to the lowest levels in a decade.   So now, due to a declining willingness to prosecute dangerous criminals, violent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural or man-made disaster, and you've got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization. And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people. Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here's one: it's called Kindergarten Killers. It's been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn't or didn't want anyone to know you had found it?   Then there's the blood-soaked slasher films like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" that are aired like propaganda loops on "Splatterdays" and every day, and a thousand music videos that portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life. And then they have the nerve to call it "entertainment."   But is that what it really is? Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?   In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilized society by bringing an ever-more-toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty into our homes — every minute of every day of every month of every year.   A child growing up in America witnesses 16,000 murders and 200,000 acts of violence by the time he or she reaches the ripe old age of 18.   And throughout it all, too many in our national media ... their corporate owners ... and their stockholders ... act as silent enablers, if not complicit co-conspirators. Rather than face their own moral failings, the media demonize lawful gun owners, amplify their cries for more laws and fill the national debate with misinformation and dishonest thinking that only delay meaningful action and all but guarantee that the next atrocity is only a news cycle away.   The media call semi-automatic firearms "machine guns" — they claim these civilian semi-automatic firearms are used by the military, and they tell us that the .223 round is one of the most powerful rifle calibers ... when all of these claims are factually untrue. They don't know what they're talking about!   Worse, they perpetuate the dangerous notion that one more gun ban — or one more law imposed on peaceful, lawful people — will protect us where 20,000 others have failed!   As brave, heroic and self-sacrificing as those teachers were in those classrooms, and as prompt, professional and well-trained as those police were when they responded, they were unable — through no fault of their own — to stop it.   As parents, we do everything we can to keep our children safe. It is now time for us to assume responsibility for their safety at school. The only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away ... or a minute away?   Now, I can imagine the shocking headlines you'll print tomorrow morning: "More guns," you'll claim, "are the NRA's answer to everything!" Your implication will be that guns are evil and have no place in society, much less in our schools. But since when did the word "gun" automatically become a bad word?   A gun in the hands of a Secret Service agent protecting the President isn't a bad word. A gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the United States isn't a bad word. And when you hear the glass breaking in your living room at 3 a.m. and call 911, you won't be able to pray hard enough for a gun in the hands of a good guy to get there fast enough to protect you.   So why is the idea of a gun good when it's used to protect our President or our country or our police, but bad when it's used to protect our children in their schools?   They're our kids. They're our responsibility. And it's not just our duty to protect them — it's our right to protect them.   You know, five years ago, after the Virginia Tech tragedy, when I said we should put armed security in every school, the media called me crazy. But what if, when Adam Lanza started shooting his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School last Friday, he had been confronted by qualified, armed security?   Will you at least admit it's possible that 26 innocent lives might have been spared? Is that so abhorrent to you that you would rather continue to risk the alternative?   Is the press and political class here in Washington so consumed by fear and hatred of the NRA and America's gun owners that you're willing to accept a world where real resistance to evil monsters is a lone, unarmed school principal left to surrender her life to shield the children in her care? No one — regardless of personal political prejudice — has the right to impose that sacrifice.   Ladies and gentlemen, there is no national, one-size-fits-all solution to protecting our children. But do know this President zeroed out school emergency planning grants in last year's budget, and scrapped "Secure Our Schools" policing grants in next year's budget.   With all the foreign aid, with all the money in the federal budget, we can't afford to put a police officer in every school? Even if they did that, politicians have no business — and no authority — denying us the right, the ability, or the moral imperative to protect ourselves and our loved ones from harm.   Now, the National Rifle Association knows that there are millions of qualified active and retired police; active, reserve and retired military; security professionals; certified firefighters and rescue personnel; and an extraordinary corps of patriotic, trained qualified citizens to join with local school officials and police in devising a protection plan for every school. We can deploy them to protect our kids now. We can immediately make America's schools safer — relying on the brave men and women of America's police force.   The budget of our local police departments are strained and resources are limited, but their dedication and courage are second to none and they can be deployed right now.   I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January.   Before Congress reconvenes, before we engage in any lengthy debate over legislation, regulation or anything else, as soon as our kids return to school after the holiday break, we need to have every single school in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work — and by that I mean armed security.   Right now, today, every school in the United States should plan meetings with parents, school administrators, teachers and local authorities — and draw upon every resource available — to erect a cordon of protection around our kids right now. Every school will have a different solution based on its own unique situation.   Every school in America needs to immediately identify, dedicate and deploy the resources necessary to put these security forces in place right now. And the National Rifle Association, as America's preeminent trainer of law enforcement and security personnel for the past 50 years, is ready, willing and uniquely qualified to help.   Our training programs are the most advanced in the world. That expertise must be brought to bear to protect our schools and our children now. We did it for the nation's defense industries and military installations during World War II, and we'll do it for our schools today.   The NRA is going to bring all of its knowledge, dedication and resources to develop a model National School Shield Emergency Response Program for every school that wants it. From armed security to building design and access control to information technology to student and teacher training, this multi-faceted program will be developed by the very best experts in their fields.   Former Congressman Asa Hutchinson will lead this effort as National Director of the National School Shield Program, with a budget provided by the NRA of whatever scope the task requires. His experience as a U.S. Attorney, Director of the Drug Enforcement Agency and Undersecretary of the Department of Homeland Security will give him the knowledge and expertise to hire the most knowledgeable and credentialed experts available anywhere, to get this program up and running from the first day forward.   If we truly cherish our kids more than our money or our celebrities, we must give them the greatest level of protection possible and the security that is only available with a properly trained — armed — good guy.   Under Asa's leadership, our team of security experts will make this the best program in the world for protecting our children at school, and we will make that program available to every school in America free of charge.   That's a plan of action that can, and will, make a real, positive and indisputable difference in the safety of our children — starting right now.   There'll be time for talk and debate later. This is the time, this is the day for decisive action. We can't wait for the next unspeakable crime to happen before we act. We can't lose precious time debating legislation that won't work. We mustn't allow politics or personal prejudice to divide us. We must act now.   For the sake of the safety of every child in America, I call on every parent, every teacher, every school administrator and every law enforcement officer in this country to join us in the National School Shield Program and protect our children with the only line of positive defense that's tested and proven to work.       This link may change, but here is the one that I used:   Link:  http://home.nra.org/#              

I have plenty of stuff so I didn't feel the need to buy anything. Until, Today a coworker asked if I was interested in an AR. Colt Match Target, ban rifle. 500 ball / 100 balistic tip ammo. 6 colt mags, 4/30rd, 2/10rd, 2/40rd America brand mags. Scope/rings/mount. I asked what he wanted and he said $850 for everything, said he had $800 in it new. Rifle has about 100rds through it. I said I was interested but I wasn't going to pay him $850 for all of that. He gave me a strange look when I offered him alot more. So here I sit with a new rifle.

So here's my take on this...   Something is only over-priced if it is above fair market value.  Right now the market will sustain quite a bit of markup over what it did last week.  If you're really wanting to part with some items that are in high demand right now, you would be silly not to ask the current going rate for them.   It doesn't matter if you are asking a fair price now or three weeks ago, someone out there is going to bitch because they want the best deal possible and feel like you somehow owe it to them to give them that deal.  Don't worry about that.   I would caution you against selling something today that you might not be able to replace again later, though.  Unless you're hurting for cash, I'd sit on those items and see what happens.  It could come to pass that you would end up really, really regretting it later.

sign up the wife or gift it to a family member. I just signed up my whole household. I am going to have fun at Bass Pro!!!!

was out earlier and was carrying my wife's purse. 

I think it would be more correct to say that "driving" a motor vehicle is a privilege; I don't believe that using the roadway is a privilege.   We may not have the right to drive but I think it can be argued that we do have the right to travel freely and without undue restrictions from one place to another and since roads are (almost always) paid for by taxes I think the government would have a difficult time saying you can't use them at all. ;)

Yah, I was just screwing around.   I believe Jefferson would have led a revolt when the Federal Reserve was created in 1913.

  They would probably think their are consequences for breaking the law.   Don't want to be arrested and have your blood drawn then don't break the law. Driving on public roadways is not a right it is a priviledge. And that priviledge can be taken away.   Dolomite

Thank goodness she didn't buy them at a gun show

Well, woopty-doo.  Wonder how much we spent for the government to make sure they got down to the bottom of this crucial and completely irrelevant detail in the case.

And I got a grinder.

I've got a box full of pre-ban firing pins. ;)

Doesn't that violate our constituional rights? Like maybe the 4th?   The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

My takeaway from this is that the NRA has offered a common sense plan to protect our schools starting now. It's the only way to stop these senseless massacres.    The media's poo-pooing of the NRA press conference and the continued emotional resistance on the part of gun haters to do what must be done tells me one thing: they are the ones who aren't serious about solving the problem.

I really see this as a family and community problem as opposed to a government problem.  Like Hurricane Katrina, there are times when we expect way too much of our government (and they are complicit in gladly taking on the role of sugar daddy.)  Our society has this nice shellac of modernity and sophistication, but at our core, we are as broken as we've ever been.  In fact, with our modern disregard for things like personal responsibility and the public embracing acceptance of any position under the stars, we may have set ourselves up for an even harder fall.  When you strip away that outer veneer, you see quickly that we're not really at all as sophisticated as we thought.  The things that we think are important really show themselves to be worthless.   The media and entertainment companies are producing exactly what the public wants and demands.  You're not going to legislate away brokeness.  As long as there is a demand for violent, hyper-sexualized content, there are plenty of people and companies willing to produce and provide exactly that.  And, they will always continue to push the boundaries just a little bit further.   But like the failure we saw in Hurricane Katrina, we blamed the wrong group.  This wasn't a government failure, because it wasn't something the governement could reasonably fix.  It was a family and community failure.  When you don't care about anything more than yourself, it shouldn't surprise you when no one around you does either.  We're asking the government to do something which they cannot do.  You cannot legislate brokeness.   There is certainly something I can do, though.  I can be involved with my family and community.  I can care about my neighbor.  I can monitor what games my kids play and what movies they watch, just as I should really regulate what I play and what I watch.  I can surround my family with people who support those same values in their families.  I'm not going to act surprised when media companies act according to Adam Smith's laws and provide content for which there is an audience.  Hopefully they'll not be surprised when I fail to partake of it.   None of my three children are old enough to shoot, yet.  But, two of the three already know what not to do with a gun.  I don't expect someone else to teach them this.  That's my job.   Maybe it's my libertarian roots showing through.  Maybe it's my belief that the governement is incapable of creating value.  Maybe it's something I've not even thought of yet.  But, I don't expect the government to keep me safe from all harm and provide for every need that I have.  But I do expect it stay out of the way while I do it.

I work in the entertainment industry, so if I may...   Anyone who thinks media doesn't influence them is a fool. The advertising industry spends almost $300 BILLION dollars annually because it WORKS. I know everyone wants to believe it only affects others, but media has an effect on all of us.   Now I'm not saying that someone playing violent games or watching violent movies is instantly more prone to violence, but to argue that our society as a whole - which glorifies violence - is somehow immune to the influence of media, when study after study has shown that advertising absolutely affects people, is simply denial. To what degree it influences us as individuals is up for debate, but we're all affected in some way.

I kinda wish they had tried it with the Angels there. That would have ended badly for them.... I fully plan to help any effort to neautrulize their protest if they ever show up around here again. I helped in Jacksboro NC back in 07. That was a great idea they had, protesting in a military town...

I have never been able to get an answer from a reliable legal source on why we have to wait for someone to be arrested before making a challenge. Yes, the BATF has drawn a line in the sand, and it needs to be challenged in the courts. Heller and a group of others challenged the DC guns laws without any of them being arrested.

I was talking to a friend the other day about ways to get around the mag ban if it ever comes to that. As much as they're calling them "clips" in the news if we could just get them to use that exact description of them in any legislation than wouldn't "mags" technically be ok to own? :) Yeah yeah I know, good luck with that. But still, it'd be funny.

Joe manchin is NOT pro 2nd amend. He is a two faced hypocrit no worse than fine stink. He said he has never had to load more than three rounds in a "clip" to hunt and its time to have a " discussion" about gun control. What a pig.

In a Tenth Amendment move, all the Governors of the various States have to do is declare that all non-felonious able-bodied men and all volunteer women between the ages of 18 and 80 in their State are members of the State Militia, (note it on their driver's license or HCP card) and are authorized military style and quality firearms, ammunition, and related supplies, and the feds can go pack sand.

I wish y'all could figure this out. I want to go out havin sex and I'm getting to old to go all day anymore.

 Video games or Black Sabbath don't cause people to kill, there's deeper issues here and there's no logic placing blame on mindless objects.   Someone once quoted on here, "assault is a behavior not a device, humans assault people; the instrument used is not relevant".   Preaching to the choir for the most part but this quote should be instilled in everyones memory.     .

No. I have all the stuff I want. The stuff on my wish list will wait until this hype blows over. Another shiny object will distract people from this horrific event in a week or so... probably something Kardashian or Beiber related.

Go with a Glock 19.  I just bought my third Glock this past Saturday at Shooter's Depot, which is local for you.  When I purchased mine, they had four in house.   I am not a Glock fanboy, but they make great handguns.  The reason I chose a G19 over similar products is the availability of aftermarket parts and the ease of customizing.  Normally, I complain about the ergonomics of Glocks, but for some reason or another the G19 fits my hand just right.

  Somebody with no knowledge and a chip on their shoulder runs that website. THP will conduct sobriety/DL checkpoints as they usually do. They are allowed by statute to inspect driver's licenses. There is no search. The forced blood draw law has nothing to do with this. That statute mandates a forced blood draw on someone you have probable cause to believe it impaired and is DUI 2nd offense or more, involved in a crash that results in another person's injury, or DUI with a person under 16 as a passenger.

i needed the rest

[quote name="RockChucker30" post="865566" timestamp="1356125639"]Under the last ban it was high cap nags, collapsible stocks, flash hiders, etc.[/quote] It is crazy just how stupid our government can be. Those collapsible stocks and flash hiders sure do make a gun extra deadly don't they? If we could just kick out all the Liberal gun haters this country would be a better place. They have absolutely no common sense whatsoever.

Unarmed in Collinsville. Good thing you're a big ole boy :)

Hear-Pro or Westone custom ear plugs.  I have one pair of Hear-Pro's that I had made at the 3 Gun competition at Rockcastle and 2 pair of Westones that came from Elite Audiology in Mt Juliet.  Both will run in the $100-140 range with acoustic filters, but they are custom fit to your ears and last a VERY long time.   When I shoot indoors, I wear my plugs under electronic muffs.  I can talk and hear everybody but the weapon report is more quiet than a medium thump on your chest.   FWIW, some of the language people use in the range when they think no one can hear is borderline appalling... if you're sensitive to that type of thing.   Mac

Well, I agree with all that.   And I will even disprove it for you and put that to rest. Number of people that own a first person shooter game, estimated: about 50+ million -- worldwide (added up sales of several popular game titles). Number of shooters who spent a great deal of time playing these games: about 10.  Of those 10 the most notable were the columbine shooters, IIRC?  And, of those 10, as far as we know the guy last week was not playing these games (?).   Similar numbers can be found for number of cars stolen to number of grand theft auto players --- there is no correlation.

  Unrelated.  The issue with kid porn is ... a kid was harmed making it, and for that reason alone it is a terrible thing.  No one is harmed in the making of a game.   Again, I agree the games should have age / maturity restrictions (and they already do).   The issue I have is a call to ban the games, or blame them (its on par with blaming the guns).    In this case, he was 20, and well past being of age to play a video game of any sort, so any age limits on media are not the problem (at 18 I think you can see *any* sort of legal film or game?).    For the record, as I am not getting any younger, I started playing those things with wolf 3-d on a 386, when the first episode was freeware.   Graphics went gory in a hury time doom & heretic were out the were downright scary.  That was like 1993?  So 20 years of them and owning a fair number of firearms, and still no one dead from either hobby.

I agree 100% with QuietDan.

Dianne Feinstein admits to having a permit and carrying a gun:   "Less than twenty years ago I was the target of a terrorist group. It was the New World Liberation Front. They blew up power stations and put a bomb at my home when my husband was dying of cancer. And the bomb didn't detonate. [...] I was very lucky. But, I thought of what might have happened. Later the same group shot out all the windows of my home. [...] And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms. I'd walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me."   http://www.nndb.com/people/535/000023466/   Here's Mark Levin exposing her for the hypocrite that she is:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iuBbLeqZbPA

I really feel an AWB is coming.  You have traditional pro 2A Senators that are leaning to supporting this, like Joe Manchin and Harry Reid.  Also, you have a Republican House with an incompetent leader who threatens his own party members with their Committee-ships at the first sign of disagreement with him.  BHO has Boehner over a barrel. BHO has always gotten he wants his whole life and no one has stood up to him.  He will end up getting the budget he wants, or he will just punish us little people by letting us go off that fiscal cliff. He will also strong arm Boehner into an AWB.  The best thing we can do is contact our Senators and U.S. Representatives and letting them know how we feel as citizens and voters.  Also, make sure you membership is current with the NRA an maybe try and donate to them in these hard times.  We need to remind our Congress that we are a country goverened by the People.

I guess I have a rifle to sell. It is black, semi auto, and has detachable mags. We'll start the bidding at $2500. (don't tell anyone it is a $99 Marlin 795)

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/sandy-hook-mind-control-flicker-effect/   Very good read.

Yep, that and the "Enemies" series by Matthew Bracken.

jtmaze has it right. I would give one more warning with LE present. Then when the dogs come back call LE and notify them you are shooting some dogs that are harrassing your livestock. They will tell you to do what you need to to protect your livestock. Then hang up the phone, step outside and shoot every single dog on your property. Then go back in and call LE. Tell them you have shot the dogs harassing your livestock and that you need an officer to come out. Then both of you go to the neighbors and have them remove their dead dog from your property. People who let their dogs roam free and harrass or kill others animals should be held accountable. I have shot at dogs that harrassed and killed our animals. I will do it again to protect what is mine. Dolomite