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Dear brother and sister opiners; i feel i have lost my "implacable calm" in this issue. I simply cant stand this anymore.  I have a burning need to speak to what i think this case is really about.   Brothers and sisters; this case aint about the possibly wrongful and tragic shooting of a teenager; it's about political opportunism of the worst kind in about a 50/50 carpetbagger/"delightful rustic" state that is of great importance to both political parties.    To my fellow posters who will be agast and "outraged" at this callous statement; please know that im ok with that.  This is a place of opinions and discussion; that means that some aint gonna like the opinions posted; especially this one.  Havin said that, this is my "Trayvon-George" manifesto and my mind's made up.  For once, i aint gonna argue about it.  I'm like Pilate; ive called for the "wash bowl".  I find no fault in zimmerman and think that if trayvon would have minded his own business he would be alive today to continue his thuggish ways.  The big lesson for everybody is that if everybody had have minded their business and acted sensibly, this tragedy, now marketed as a political opportunity would have never happened.    Erck did a good job with the objective facts of this case.  I'm gonna talk about the political implications of this case.   I contend that the extremely white politico carpetbaggers (...and some good ole boy opportunists...) from both up north and down south, both democrat and republican, could care less about "justice for trayvon", george zimmerman, the people of the state of florida, or anyone else in this case.  They care about walking a political titerope between about a 50/50 democrat/republican population and veer on the side that needs "reassuring" to make sure they save their stinkin hides; and thus keeping their stinkin jobs in tact.  They like bein in power, and they like it well enough to use the powers of their positions in unjust ways to keep themselves in power.  They are bold enough to take the chance of using the courts and their position(s) in unjust, even criminal, ways to perpetrate this disgraceful travesty of justice.  They are doin it now, i think, because they know that the chances of federal prosecution for any misdeeds by the judiciary or the prosecutors in this case will never be brought.  It's all about politics, nothing else. Politics in the state of florida first, and red meat for the blue states and "low information children" on a national level next.   This thing aint about justice for all; its about buying votes and support in upcomming elections.   The fall out, of course, is the murdering of the rule of law and justice.  That's what the governor has done and exactly what the prosecuting attorney and judge(s) are doing.  This territory of florida is polarized black and white with the "innocent"/"guilty" thing split right down party lines; and the political class knows it.  As i remember, the black/white population ratio in samford is about 25/75 with a 15/85 ratio in the county; but the general population of florida (...political...) is in the 50/50 range.  That's why the elections are so hot in florida.  Both parties have to go after votes on both sides of the political spectrum; and that's exactly what is goin on here.    The sad fact of this case is that one 18 year old aint gonna get any older and one little guy tryin to take care of his neighborhood have had their lives ended, or changed for the worst.  The people of florida will become more cynical than the already are due the twisting of the law and the use of courts to satisfy political purposes, the citizens of this community (...and others...) will retreat further behind their security fences and be even more afraid of their neighbors they dont know, the "tribalism" this whole dammed thing brings out in people will become stronger, and the rule of law and ethics in elected officials will become less (...if that's possible...).   In the end, nobody is gonna win no matter what happens, and there will damn sure be no justice for anybody in this sorry case.   The political class, in their stinkin lust for votes and pantering to the "low information children" has seen to it.   That's how i see this whole sad, sorry, disgraceful spectacle.  It aint about justice, its about tribal warfare and political calculations.   leroy

What this state doesn't need any more of are politicians who wouldn't know an unalienable right if it crawled into bed with them and bit them in the ass.   Haslam, Ramsey, Harwell and more than I have time to name are worthless politicians and unworthy to be in any elected office...these people make me sick to my stomach that I ever once identified myself as a Republican.

So he fended off a burglar, only to be robbed by the Medford police? It is starting to get difficult determining the difference between the good guys & bad guys these days.

I have never signed for ammo and I've had a bunch shipped.

he's just sitting on the fence again however, this may be a barbed-wire fence he's sitting on

Already speaking to him about his venture and what he needs.  I will use my sponsors to get him the equipment needed.

Man, with this new holster I don’t even notice my gun is there… Hey wait a minute!!!                                                                                       

Sorry, no dice. There is a world of difference from "can't" and "won't". To put it into perspective gays 'can't' join under the old rules. Christian children 'won't' under the new. Though I suspect its more to do with the parents than the children. This is the same crowd who had some not very cristianly things to say about that Muslim that wanted his pig farming neighbor shut down because it offended his religion right? So if your Muslim and something offends you, tough $hit but if your cristian and something offends you, then I should care? Got it.

  I don't know how you missed it. We flogged it as hard as homosexuals in the boy scouts. :)

most do not care if you find homosexuality repugnant. People do care when because of your personal feelings you exclude an entire group of people from participating as part of our society.  Why shouldn't homosexuals be outspoken about their rights being violated.  Why shouldn't homosexuals be outspoken about being excluded from a group that should have nothing to do with sex on the sole basis of their sexual orientation.  No one is forcing you to like it but you will have to put up with it because it is happening.      As it pertains to the BSA, the way I see it is that those opposed to this have 3 basic choices.  Fight to change it back which is your right to do, accept that it is happening whether you like it or not and move on, or form your own non secular scouting organization.    Lets not forget that the majority of the BSA voting membership approved this change

Just a word to the wise... it's worth having a conversation with your spouse about things that are appropriate to put in the disposal, and things aren't appropriate.   Potato peels from the better part of a whole bag of potatoes - not appropriate.

There have been gay scouts as long as there has been scouting is my guess.   I don't think this will affect much of anything.  But sooner or later there are going to be gay adult leaders openly involved.  And that must be why allowing openly gay scouting ever came to a vote.

Per Dr. Suzanna Gratia-Hupp:   "How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of."    Our Governor consistently exhibits a penchant for considering Stalin's Bourgeoisie in need of having direct supervision for most of their requirements, more especially those which relate to deciding who their Judges should be, how and why they are to avail themselves of the Right to keep and bear arms, those niggling issues one would assume that the Constitution of the State's Framers intended to be finalized when they left ink on the issues.

I went to the Chattanooga RK show last weekend.  There was some ammo but nothing like there was a year ago.  On Saturday afternoon I saw one table with about a dozen 525 .22LR boxes for $75 each.  On Sunday afternoon the same greedy bastard still had the same amount of 525 .22LR boxes marked down to $65.  Unless he sold any in the last hour he went home with what he came with.

I think that we should all be able to walk around with an ounce of weed and a high capacity mag. 

That's an insult to morons

  You seem to have Haslam confused with Corker.   - OS

waking up each day sucks sometimes, but it is definitely better than the other option.

  It's not worth opening ourselves to the lawsuit that would invariably arise from raising questions about their character.  We'll just skip that and move on to locating a better source.

I just dropped the coin on a new Glock 21 Gen 4, so I couldn't afford to splurge anymore. My wife would have killed me if I did. :lol:

That's funny...all the theological training I've had taught me that it's the engaging in homosexual sex that was the sin, not simply "being" a homosexual. Somehow, however, Christians never seem to differentiate even though they have no problem doing so with regards to heterosexuals.   But I'm probably wrong; just like I've never understood why "homosexuality" send Christians screaming for the hills but other "sins" hardly get a reaction form anyone.   :shrug: 

  Have to go to Mobile. To put a positive spin on it, I'm calling it a 10 day trip to the beach. How's that for finding a silver lining?

  Yep. You can't carry when you're on a date with your sister unless she has a permit too.

Hey you guys won, I'm just pointing out the consequences of that victory. You can argue semantics & split hairs all day long, but the fact is that the BSA's majority of supporters, leadership & membership pool are of the Christian faith. It's no secret to anyone that homosexuality is a "sin" in Christianity (as well as in most other major religions) & the two lifestyles simply are not compatible, no matter how "unfair" you think that it was for the BSA to have banned openly gay homosexuals from participating. Now that the BSA is yours, do with it what ever you want, we (those of us who actually participated in Scouting prior to this decision) don't care anymore, we are just sad to see everything that Scouting once stood for destroyed.

  Very tasty though.   And they don't eat garbage, like shrimp. :)   - OS

  Law applies to schools also. Permit holding faculty, staff, and students may keep their loaded heaters in vehicle, under terms of the statute.   But unless case law proves otherwise, they can be fired or expelled for it too. Just as they could under the already existing statute.   I thought everybody understood that to still be the situation. There is no mention in the statute of any particular behavior required by employers whatsoever, only a couple of free passes on liability.   - OS

  Good idea. All their guns come from the US. I heard that from Barack Obama, who never lies.

    Oh, I'd bet you both likely get boners watching pretty female homosexuals go at it, I'd opine most straight men do, jest sayin.....   Hell, I've often thought I must be part lesbian, myself.   But seriously, that tightening in your pants is a sign of the sexual "relativism" most all of us embody. Or something.   - OS

Safe empty.  Stuff will rattle around no matter how well you secure it.  What if you have a wreck/flat/strap breaks and the safe goes tumbling down the interstate?  Bring friends, beer, and an appliance dolly. 

Who is denying the ability of the BSA to freely associate?  They caved...pure and simple...that choice was theirs and theirs alone.   I find homosexual acts repugnant.  I don't find a person repugnant just because he or she happens to be a homosexual so long as he/she maintains appropriate public decorum and so long as he/she treats me with the same respect and courtesy they expect of me.   There appear to be quite a lot of people with "religious convictions" who will go outright apoplectic over a homosexual but their BP won't even rise a point about such people as adulterers, alcoholics, gluttons, or the sexually promiscuous (as long as it's "normal" sex of course). I find that inconsistency in dealing with people repugnant too.

  Shrimp often referred to as the cockroach of the sea.   - OS

Also, boys and girls, ALL of your supply lines in your home from the cutoffs to the faucets should be the braided lines, NOT the plastic ones. You do not want to receive a call that there is water all over your kitchen floor when you're on another continent....yes...that happened to me.

I would love to go pig hunting. Good Luck.

You hit the nail on the head. Keep the masses numb and they won't notice when their individual rights are gone, then they won't care.    The Colorado state motto : KMPH KMPH....DUDE...KMPH KMPH.....HERE....

  Normal

They HAD to? Says who? There seems to be a lot of suppositions here regarding things the BSA absolutely HAS to do. They don't HAVE to do anything. They could tell the pro-gay lobby to f*** themselves. They could choose to ignore that homosexuality even exists. They could decide that sexual orientation and the subject of is not relevant or appropriate for scouting activities, thus making any policy for or against homo membership moot. Who is holding a gun to anyone's head here FORCING them to do anything? For those upset with the new policy, you should direct your anger at the BSA, not the folks that wanted the policy changed. The way I see it the BSA either abandoned their convictions under pressure or decided that gay scouts deserved to be in the organization. I would assume that either scenario is unacceptable to those who oppose the policy.

Sounds like a bad ground.  Good luck finding it...

86 THAT, I'm coming with a member of my MAG.

If you keep them numb.............                       :stalk:

Well actually according to the 2nd amendment the magazine ban should have never even been brought up. But I agree gun owners got f'd.

So... Don't bother me with anymore of this trivial stuff...? Preview of what to expect from him when he runs for prez... More Rino crap. Mark

I've seen his forum on BF but never paid too much attention. This year has been all about TN makers for me. Hoping to score Graham and Stout at the show. Fitz will be a bit harder to score as he tends to disappear for long periods. Then after my TN phase is done, I'll be picking up a Laconico from Ray himself at G5 this year.

Yeah the state of journalism is rather pathetic.

  I used to think all that was needed to fish for trout at Tellico was a regular fishing license and the Tellico permit.  I never realized you still needed the (extra $18) state wide trout stamp along with the extra Tellico-Citico permit until I was buying license one time and the person at the counter told me.  I actually doubted what she said and tried to confirm or negate by carefully reading the fishing regs book - to no avail.  I ended up calling the TWRA and the person who answered the phone couldn't answer the question, either - she had to put me on hold while she found out the answer from someone else.  Yeah, real clear regs there, guys (not to mention sticking it to someone who would like to engage in an activity like fishing that should be both simple and affordable.)    So, one day of fishing at Tellico can cost:   Hunting and Fishing combo license:  $28 Statewide Trout Stamp:                     $18 One Day Tellico-Citico Permit:           $5.50   That's a total of $51.50.  Of course, all but the $5.50 Tellico-Citico permit are good for more than one day but still I could buy one heck of a fish dinner at Red Lobster for $51.00 - and I don't even like eating trout all that much (but they are a lot of fun to catch.)   Honestly, if I wanted to discourage 'regular' people from hunting or fishing I'd probably start with the system of confusing regs and multiple-license expenses we have here in TN.

Probably.

Haha they're ammo prices are dumb. If anything they're playing into the whole jacking the prices up scheme. $70 for 555rds of .22lr. I will say that some of the glocks were reasonably priced and they had a ton of ar and ak mags.

If you do choose to go the AK route. The MAK90s are a good value.

I spent mad dough on a milled Arsenal.   What I didn't understand was that at the height of the panic, people were dropping 1K+ on Century built guns while the Arsenal SAM7R-61 was available the whole time for around $1300.   I bought mine for $1200 shipping. Worth every dime to me. :-)

we have defacto amnesty right now.  Anything different would most likely be an improvement.

Pretty sure more straight priests have diddled little boys than gay men have. It's not often gay men get accused of molestation vs straight men. Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk 2