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having a gun in the basement and knowing how to use it would have changed this story.

everyone that's asking the guys that feel Zman is guilty to justify their opinions are seem to not have a good understanding of opinions.  Our opinions are formed not just by the information we have but the context in which we interpret that information.  TMF and DaveS interpret the information differently than i do but thats based on their knowledge and experience and mindset when looking at the information they are given.  I see nothing wrong with them having that opinion especially when for the most part both seem willing to accept that the trail is where the truth of the event is mostly likely to come out and whichever way it goes both seem willing to accept the decision.  

Unfortunately, I've answered way too many calls where a man beats a woman, but don't think it doesn't happen the other way around on occasion too. As far as this is concerned, it's a good idea to show it to the women folk in your life who think that you'll be there to protect them, or that if you don't resist the thief will leave them alone while they rob you. I could put a bullet between his eyes and feel nothing.   EDIT: Geez, I should have proof-read before I posted. That's what I get for being busy.

I went through these two mechanically, did some polishing, replaced what needed replacing and they both run smooth and true. Time for some makeup. I know purists won't much like these but they were both service pistols and they looked used. I did not replace grips or purchase any cosmetic upgrades. I just worked with what I had.

This is exactly the reason I carry even when at home.

Yes, you understood correctly. With that being said, there are some who wouldn't care if the police planted evidence. Afterall, if Zimmerman hadn't stepped foot out of his vehicle, there would've not been a reason for evidence.

Warning: Not being racist or prejuice of a race, just speaking the truth   See, there's no white or black in Latin america, you are from that country. But I guess people up here are that smart that can't figure that out, thanks to a certain group that can't figure out what they want to be called: African-American, Black American, Black, Negroes, Brothers, etc.  BTW, most Latinos, usually go by their Country of Origin, so in my case my parents are Dominicans, but I was born here, but I still consider myself Dominican due to my parents.    But just want to make sure every knows, I did my time manning the walls and will do it over if need be. 

So you don't believe he is guilty of 2nd degree murder, but since he got out of his truck you are "ok" with it if the jury finds him guilty of 2nd degree murder? You really should seek professional help man ...

The difference between TN and NJ is after that happened where I live, the hunt would be on!!!!!!! Of course, the headlines would be totally different,"Home Intruder Mauled by Pit Bulls"

  :shake:   First of all, not all Hispanics are Mexicans and not all Hispanics eat Tacos. My parents are Dominican (Dominican Republic, you know that little country that won the WBC this year) and we eat other things and tortillas are not in our diet. There's no such thing as "white-Hispanic", there's Hispanic that has a white skin complexion or you can say what their nationality background is: Mexican, Puerto Rican, Dominican, etc..    And not every spanish speaker is Mexican or speaks Mexican, it's "Spanish". :hat:

I don't dispute any of the verifiable facts of this case. I do still question what really happened during the initial physical confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin. I hope that the truth regarding the attack will come out during the trial. If you will go back to the first epic thread, you will recall that my issue with Zimmerman was the fact that he got the ball rolling on this incident. I still FEEL very strongly that had Zimmerman simply notified the police, provided a good description and direction of travel of the suspicious person his life wouldn't be in turmoil. If Martin circled back on Zimmerman, thrashed him and then proceeded to bang Zimmerman's head against the sidewalk causing Zimmerman to fear for his life and shoot Martin in the process, I understand. With that being said, I will maintain that Zimmerman's initial actions of pursuing/following Martin cased the deadly chain reaction and were unnecessary.

I'll take a Swiss Cake Roll over a Twinkie any day!

Surprised? No. Disappointed? A bit. Ashamed of statements like this being put out on a public forum for the world to see and judge all gun owners (and by extension myself) by? Absolutely.

A lot has been made about what Georg Zimmerman siad and even didn't say immediately after his self-defense shooting.  I've menteioned in this and other threads why a citizen, no matter how justified he was in defending his life, needs to be cautious...very cautious about what he he says to 911 and/or law enforcement and especially so within a short time following the shooting.  This article lays out a pretty good plan for what to do...   Obviously, this article is pushing you to a particular defense network...I strongly suggest that every one who carries a weapon for self defense have the kind of services these groups offer (there are several to chose from).  More importantly, if you don't have at least the office number and hopefully cell phon number of at least a couple of attorneys that you can call when you've been involved in a SD shooting you need to get them! ANY OF US could wind up EXAXTLY where George Zimmerman is today; sitting in a court room defending himself with six or 12 people deciding where he may spend the next 10 years, 20 years or even the rest of his life...take measures NOW so that if it hsppens to you, you have some help available to deal with it.

I guess 30 minutes is enough if 99% of what you've got to hang your hat on is emotion rather than facts. ;)

It has been debunked. Although it is amusing to think of a Hispanic guy using the term "coon".

I feel the same if it were my kid, but I don't think pointing out how irresponsible it was of the girl to put herself in a situation where a very likely outcome was rape takes ANY of the blame off of the criminal(s) who committed the crime. They need to pay. I see folks get emotional on this because they confuse a lack of sympathy for the victim as either condoning or forgiving the actions of the SOBs that committed the crime. That couldn't be further from the truth. A person's irresponsible actions never excuses a criminal from their responsibility for committing a crime. It's just that folks need to understand that when you put yourself in these high risk situations people might not have any sympathy for you because you should know better. Kinda like when base jumpers die from smacking into a cliff and lawn darting themselves. No, they don't deserve to die because they enjoy base jumping, but I won't expend an ounce of sympathy for someone who dies doing something they know may very well result in their deaths. These girls who get dressed up in slut action gear and get blackout drunk around a bunch of horny young dudes don't deserve my sympathy either when they get three hole qualified. Sure, the perpetrators deserve to go to jail for committing a crime, but it doesn't mean I'm expending any sympathy for the victim.

I'll be holding off on either console until I see the reviews. I have an Xbox, PS3 and a wii. Wii is for the kids, PS3 is for Netflix/bluray and the Xbox red ringed after the first year.   Personally, I prefer gaming on my PC via steam...

I have an honest question for Link, DaveS, and TMF. You guys seem to be somewhat sure that GZ is guilty but you've yet to say(unless I missed it) how exactly you think the events unfolded that night.   I was able to listen to a portion of live testimony yesterday but not all of it. Did they cover the wounds that Martin had? From what I heard previously, Martin's only wound was the gunshot, did they confirm this?   I'm just trying to understand what it would take for Zimmerman to be guilty and the only scenario I can come up with is that Zman followed Martin, assaulted him first, and then shot him after he started getting his ass kicked. If that's how it unfolded then I would absolutely say he deserves to be found guilty.   However, if Martin had zero wounds other than the gunshot it should be fairly obvious that it didn't go down that way.   Also, do you guys honestly think Zman would request police presence and then walk up and assault Martin? Surely he's not THAT stupid.    So I will ask you guys, what am I missing? We already know that following someone is not a crime but I missed the part yesterday that explained whether or not he was actually following him.   Help me out here.

Please don't tell me that you were surprised.

That graphic made my day. I think you can leave the mat out though. I'm pretty sure his Jarjar Binks impression was meant to be serious. I'm poking fun at the presumptuous racist attack on someone's 16 year old daughter.

Or just shoot the son of a *****. A dead thief is the only kind of thief I can tolerate. I know some here see more value in a human life than in material, but I bust my ass everyday for anything I have. Any man that makes the decision to take it has made his choice, and if you've made the choice to steal then you staying above ground and breathing doesn't matter to me. Maybe if more thieves were shoot or hung we wouldn't have these problems. Sorry about your things OP, I hate a damn thief. sent from the backwoods

  So was every, single individual who signed the Declaration of Independence.   I'm not necessarily putting Snowden on the same level.  However, when the government is betraying its own people then perhaps the only way to do the right thing for one's country and it's people is to act against that government.

 i have 600,000 in stock this morning

they should name High Schools after Snowden.  He is not a traitor.     6.8 I enjoy your posts on this topic.   The .gov is pissed because he has dirt on them.   Bunch of scumbags they are.  Not a one is a patriot. They crap on our constitution and try to sell it as protecting us.  

Apples to oranges. Try the 5.45 vs 5.56. Also, service life? AK only lasts 40 years? WTF? Are there any M16 rifles around from 40 years ago?

I'm glad it worked out so well for you.

Looks like Zimmerman's attorney missed the mark again: http://www.theonion.com/articles/george-zimmermans-attorney-opens-second-day-of-tri,32953/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Status:2:Default

When I retired, Alaska was my 1st choice to relocate too.   The wife suggested I make an appointment with a mental health specialist, after 30 years of marriage threatened to divorce me if I did. I don't know if it was so much the cold as lack of heat that offended her?   I am going to visit there before the big dirt nap, beautiful place.

Anyone think it was only a round of golf now?

  Holy @#$%!!!! They're no longer trying to rape anymore! ANNNNNND I still won't buy from them, principle you see...

  A jury doesn't get to make up laws.

That will be for the jury to decide.

I am borrowing a PS3 just so I can play this game. I have been looking forward to it since I heard it was coming out awhile back.

Thanks for the update. But Gander Mt quit being a "deal" along time ago. They were great to buy hunting and reloading supplies from back in the 70's- 80's, worth the 150 mile round trip drive from northern Illinois to there store in Wisconsin. I wouldn't drive across town to buy from them these days. JMHO

No...No...No...you don't understand; Zimmerman is a "white-Hispanic" so it's likely he doesn't eat tacos.  ;)

The biased and incompetent news media is only part of the problem; an often biased, low-information public is just as much of a problem.

A renewable protein source ain't a bad thing is it? Neither is a pellet gun. :pleased:   You just gotta let them get ripe Raoul. LOL.

I promise to relate the whole story later, but it was the most fun I've had in a looonnng time. Worth the cost.   I missed the opportunity 5 years ago. I was scheduled to ride along in 2008, but my cancer issues cost me the opportunity.   So this was the truly second chance that we're sometimes given. At least for me.   I had the choice of going or holding on to the money for something else.   My wife says I made the right choice.  Bless her. I agree.

What a dummy. Also those shoes will never be as cool as Jordan's.

Wow. Quite possibly the most... Just wow.

Well no wonder. Whenever I palace and order the vendors know I'm taking it seriously. It costs some coin to set an order up in a palace.

Or both.

In the past, I have been quite critical of LEOs in general. Being in a position of authority, I hold them to a higher standard than the general population.   I will give credit where credit is due, however. A few weeks back on hwy 109, I saw a trooper helping an older lady change a flat tire. I admire this gentleman, and wish I knew who he was so I could contact his superior and commend him. I hope his spirit catches on within the LEO community. :up:

"To steer it through its bankruptcy reorganization, Hostess hired restructuring expert Greg Rayburn as its CEO. But Rayburn ultimately failed to reach a contract agreement with its second largest union. In November, he blamed striking workers for crippling the company's ability to maintain normal production and announced that Hostess would liquidate.   About 15,000 unionized workers lost their jobs in the aftermath.   The trimmed-down Hostess Brands LLC has a far less costly operating structure than the predecessor company. Some of the previous workers were hired back, but they're no longer unionized."   Negotiate this! Obama must have wept.   - OS

if it goes to court, they'll keep everything hush hush... so don't expect too much to come out.

If I had my way, the two boys would become eunuchs.  They keep their lives, but the give up their right to father children.  I would also knock the crap out of the girl's parents.    Is the girl to be blamed for being raped?  Of course not, and I don't think anyone has suggested such, even Serena.  That said, the world is a dangerous place that is full of evil and sick bastards.  Occurrences such this, unfortunately, have happened in the past. This girl acted foolishly and two evil little bastards took advantage of her compromised position.  It is incredibly sad that she had to pay such a high price.   It is my hope that parents and young girls learn from this situation.

Of course they do. Here is a picture of a Mosin. The location of the safety should be fairly obvious even to the most untrained eye.

Idiot.... Sent from the backwoods of Nowhere

If you're worried about bears, then get bear spray. Far more effective than a handgun and the odds of survival are way better for both you an the bear.