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Yes. The costs involved can be prohibitive and are a great inhibitor against abuse. Because of the operational costs, LEAs have to have justifiable reason to use them. They generally don't drag them out on fishing expeditions.

[quote name="Oh Shoot" post="1163721" timestamp="1404070265"] It would be tough not to eat anything at all during daylight for a month, though. - OS[/quote] It's a lot easier when Ramadan falls during the later part of the year. Sun comes up early and goes down late right now. Of course, most Muslims I know just don't eat or smoke where others can see them. To quote one, "Allah can't see me in here." Reminds me of some of my Catholic buddies. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yea thanks Willis for helping me find a way to fill the spaces between my guns in the safe. :)

I don't exactly have a game plan, as of yet. But I do have an idea that I believe in. I had an idea that I truly believe could make a positive impact on the area I live in. I'm not out to be the next Habitat for Humanity, but some positive impact is better than none. 

Yeah Willis, jeez!!  I've always been happy with my $12 folder, but now I'm hooked and will end up spending way too much on knives I think I need...   Your fault dude.

It must be snowing in hell... Looks like I'm going to get to shoot on Saturday.

I got nothing against Muslims personally. I have two neighbors that are Muslim and they are good people. We sometimes sit by a firepit and have a beer together. Hell, the one family even brought my kids some Easter baskets. The other accidentally bought an ENORMOUS pack of pork sausage... he came over, handed it to me and flat out refused to let me pay him for it. Occasionally I even come home and he's mowed my 45 degree hill.   It's the extremist views that make religion look bad.   That being said, i'm not Muslim... so BRING ON THE BACON!

The muslims hate us, the U.S.   The muslims hate the Jews more than they hate the U.S.   The muslims hate each other, sunni and shia, more than they hate the Jews, and more than they hate the U.S.   The sunni and shia, and their uber-radical elements, will expend a lot of energy, blood and treasure killing each other before they consolidate their gains and losses in Iraq.   All hail the caliphate of the hill of broken rubble, all hail the caliphate of the pyramid of skulls.

The hate is as old as the belief itself, not gonna change that

It's a cutting tool. A hammering tool looks a whole lot like a hammer :)

I just don't like the metric system :usa:

I would have taken it back in to show the owner or manager the condition of the gun in person. Then if they insisted that the gun was still brand new and had never been fired, and it was in exactly the same condition as all of their brand new guns, I would say "then you won't mind exchanging it for me now to give me another brand new one of the same model". So the only way they could refuse to help you is if they admitted that the gun is now less than brand new, and then accuse you of causing the wear and tear. But no matter what the situation, if the customer is unhappy then a smart owner / manager should offer to do something to please them even if only a small gesture, unless they truly felt or had evidence that the customer was abusing or scamming the business. But many small businesses just don't think or operate that way, either because they can't afford to or because they are not mature enough to realize the right way to handle it.

I liked the Rockeye so much that I had to try out the TR-2. Just a tad bit smaller (has to be under 3" @ work) and I wanted a serrated blade.

I can agree with part of what you stated but the last line, "we let them search and we deal with whatever comes" ? You have fun with that. I'm not saying that I'm running if someone comes to the door but that is not open ended. If I ever feel like I am about to be wrongfully detained and that unless I scoot things will get much worse then I'm outta here. Maybe our whole system isn't to the point of corruption that you described but having personally witnessed an officer stick a bag of dope in a handcuffed mans shirt pocket then pull it back out declaring what he'd just found, you must understand where my skeptisim comes from. Would the guy I speak of been just as well to have run? Maybe. I only point this out to make the point that there are situations that might warrant taking your chances. Also, I'm pretty sure when the others above questioned the constitutionality of the search it was based more on their doubt that the warrant should have ever been issued.

[quote name="Chucktshoes" post="1163987" timestamp="1404163549"]I'm with you 100%. Honestly, I didn't even know (or care) that it was Ramadan. This thread just seemed like a great place to post a picture of my awesome lunch. :yum:[/quote] I had Chilean Sea Bass, but it was wrapped in prosciutto, so I guess that made me a participant in this. My issue with Islam has always been cultural as opposed to the actual religion. But then again, I just got back from Newark, and that culture made me appreciate the simple nature of some of the Middle East countries I've spent time in. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  Best part of Catholicism IMO ... just hit the confessional once in a while and carry on. ;)   - OS

This thread made me happy, I don't feel bad knowing there's others with piles of holsters and gun condoms sitting, probably more than what i have.....My name is DB and I'm a recovering holsterholic, from rack crackin kydex to tagua to uncle mike and safari land, Im guilty as hell. Thanks! Now im addicted to shotshell rigs...

I just wonder if I could create my own little hometown police department and get my hands on one of these.   Sure would be fun to show up at some of the off roading trails.    Hmmmm......    :woohoo:

What if we blanketed the region with neutron bombs?   Anyone can play what ifs.

    I love my ranger belt. I have lost weight and mine is almost too big for me. So I will be ordering a new one. Mine is 3 years old and looks brand new. Wear it just about every day when I am not at work. 

Ares Gear. I have a ranger belt and a Aegis belt. Best belts I have had.

I smell Waco.

If you have unlimited funding to afford the proper legal defense, that's a good way to settle a problem.  Most ordinary citizens don't.

  No reasonable use for drones?  You'd rather they spend $2000/hr of your tax money on a real helicopter?

I don't watch, follow or care about sports. The only emotional response they engender in me is to hope UT and the Titans lose whenever they play. If that happens I smile and go about my day. So congrats, Vindy, vendy, whatever. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

That is why we won. Hey but thanks for playing, maybe better luck next time....

I know the lower brand won't make much or any of a difference, kind of want a high end build but probably makes sense to save money where I can. A PSA lower with Black hawk furniture for $129 is a great price, throw in a $200 trigger and should have a very solid platform to mount this upper on. I know the barrel and my reloads are up to the task, add a good trigger and maybe upgrade my Vortex 4-12 scope should have me shooting a lot smaller groups. This really is just for fun, I don't shoot competition or anything at this time I just want a highly accurate AR.

I have been working with and carrying guns for more than 30 years. I have owned, carried, and inspected several hundred holsters. My personal holster collection is north of 100 items, including some that I have made or customized. I have carried in many states and in nearly all climates, with just about every dress style, event type, and gun combination possible. What I have learned from all of this regarding holsters can be summed up in only 3 words: NO FREE LUNCH   Everyone wants the impossible: a holster that makes the gun totally disappear and weigh absolutely nothing, while also making it quickly and easily available when needed, and yet secure enough that it cannot be taken or will not work loose during aggressive body movements, and as comfortable as their own skin. And of course they want it to be low cost, long lasting, and available in every color and size choice they can dream up. Well the facts are that no such holster ever existed, nor will it ever exist. Carrying any gun is at best a minor inconvenience which you learn to live with or workaround over time, and at worst a heavy burden which can physically injure or kill you or others if not done properly. So I don't normally pay much attention to new holster makers, models, or advertisements claiming that they have found the holy grail... it just isn't going to happen. Sure, some new materials or design concepts will emerge every few years, but the facts remain the same... NO FREE LUNCH   Having said all of that, I found myself walking the aisles at the last Murfreesboro gun show and I was waiting to meet someone. Out of sheer boredom I eavesdropped on a guy trying to sell his new holster product, a belly band style holster. I snickered a little to myself, knowing full well the many downfalls of all the usual belly band products, considering that I must own at least 20 of those from various makers and have tried even more over the years. Most people weren't giving this guy the time of day, and he was not selling much or any product as far as I could tell. When he ran out of people to pitch to, he saw me waiting nearby and he started in on his pitch again. I politely conveyed my lack of interest and he stopped. I was walking away to wait somewhere else when he said something that made me stop a minute. He said he was not a gun guy, and in fact he had spent all of his career in the medical field designing and making devices for disabled folks that have to sit for long periods in wheel chairs, and he only recently started to carry a gun when he realized that the medical designs and materials might be able to help on the holster side. So he designed his own holster not from a gun perspective, but from a medical perspective, seeking first to have something that would be comfortable, fit well, and hold up under load for long periods. I also have some experience with medical devices and needs so I was familiar the design concepts he mentioned, and this made me curious enough to go back to his table and take a look.   I ended up buying one of his belly band holsters, mostly out of curiosity because it did look and feel different than all the others I had seen, but even while I was paying I fully expected to take it home, try it for a few days, and toss it in the small room which houses my holster collection. Yes, I have a holster room, not a box or closet. Well I did try it on twice and inserted a few guns but then I got distracted by other projects so I tossed it on the kitchen table and ignored it for a week or so. Then one day I had to run out quick for some errands and I didn't have time to change or "gear up" as I normally might. It was 90+ degrees and humid (typical TN summer), and I was wearing gym shorts and a tshirt, no belt. So I saw the belly band and figured why not give it a try... I slipped it on and dropped in my Kahr CM9 then headed out the door. Without describing my day in detail, suffice to say that I was quite amazed at how well this holster worked and how comfortable it was despite the heat and my physical activities which included bending, stooping, sitting, standing, and helping to load a few big boxes into my truck bed. And a lot of sweating. I never "forgot" that I was carrying it, that is total BS if anyone ever tells you that about any gun and holster, but I was continuously impressed with how comfortable, cool, and stable the holster was despite the weight of the gun and lack of any other support from my loose clothing, And the gun remained dry, never once chaffing my skin, and somehow avoiding the beads of sweat that soaked my clothing during the strenuous parts.   So I was still skeptical but I was intrigued enough to wear the holster at least a dozen more times over the next few weeks, under numerous circumstances and with different clothing types. I even tried locating it in different positions and with different guns. My favorite concealment gun for the hot TN summer days is the Ruger LCP with CT laser, and it is a match made in heaven for this holster, being even thinner and lighter than my CM9 yet very reliable. Now I am not advertising his product so I am not going to go into all the features and benefits, I will simply say that this is probably the best PRACTICAL concealment holster that I have found for my needs to-date. While it is very good, and I plan to get a few more of these for my family and friends soon, there is still NO FREE LUNCH. When concealing any gun there is always a slight bulge under your clothing, which is only "invisible" if your clothing is very loose and long, and this holster is no different. Like many older guys I have a bit of a beer gut around the middle, so this aggravates the problem with even small protrusions of the grip or heel of the gun printing through the light tshirts and shorts which are common in this southern heat. Yet it did the best job of any holster I have seen at concealing the gun as much as possible under those conditions, by holding it tight to my body without the need for an undershirt or extended layer to separate my body from the gun. I was able to minimize the printing by wearing the gun low around the waist line, something which was not possible with other holsters that would simply fall down as you walked, but this holster kept it right in place all day long. Another noticeable drawback I have for this holster is that the outside of the material is quite smooth, almost silky, so anything you wear over the holster tends not to grip on the holster. This may be a good thing for some folks that want their clothing to ride loosely and freely on top of the gear, to avoid printing or showing by allowing your shirt to ride up, but in my case I often wear loose gym shorts without a belt so those tend to slip down more easily when I am wearing this holster, thus I have to tighten the drawstring a bit which can aggravate the printing issue if tightened too much. So I may suggest that he consider applying a thin pattern of "gripper dots" on the outside of the holster, possibly made of neoprene or silicone or a similar material, so that it won't make it any thicker or too "grabby" yet it will allow clothing (primarily your pants or shorts) to stay in place without needing a belt or tight drawstring. Women (or guys) wearing this across the chest area or high on the waist may not have this problem.   If you are looking for a belly band style concealment holster, I recommend trying one of his products out. if you don't like it, PM me and I will buy it from you (at a small discount of course). :) He also makes a few other products but he did not have those at the show and I have not tried them, so I cannot comment on those. Here is the link to the holster that I picked up: http://www.telortactical.com/products/comfort-air-bodyband-holster

More like diapers. Should be changed frequently and usually full of poop.

   Greg, I agree. Have never liked this idea, weapons or dress. If you've got it, you're going to want to find a way to use it.

I won't give the Muslims the satisfaction of even acknowledging that it is their holiday because I do every day anyway with My bacon, egg and cheese biscuit and my Sausage egg and Cheese Biscuit with my morning coffee................jmho

There is no place in local police departments for military vehicles.  Also there is no reasonable use for drones in local police departments.

The more our police force appears to become "militarized", the more they become ostracized from the general public. I don't see this ending well for anyone.

Awesome stage designs masterRICK :cool: !!!

It will get views, "butt" not the ones the OP expected.  :rofl:

I'm not an expert, but would opine one shot stops from a handgun are due to placement not energy, caliber, expansion or magic. Since I'm not a special forces operator and do not have a similar training program, I'll stick with more rounds of cheaper-to-practice-with 9mm If I want to send some additional handgun heat down range, I'll break out my .357 With my limited ballistical knowledge, if I was Leo or military, I think I'd want a high cap in .357sig.

I came here thinking this was about rears!  :lol:

Calcium carbide used in lamps produces acetylene - which does make an awfully black soot.  If you're not satisfied with a lighter, a cheap canister of acetylene is available at Lowe's to run in some of the handheld torches.    I'd just use a lighter myself, but Lord knows people will spend more money if you just show them a way how.

What is it you want at this point? Once you know the answer you will know what to do next

Amazing, this thread is proof that better customer service really comes from someone u spend 15 bucks with, versus someone you spend 100 to 2500.00 with.At least the 15 dollar experience may include, would you like a straw? or I'm sorry let me fix that/get another one, add ice,this is wrong let me fix it,get you another crayon, or, Let me get my manager to fix this.....Well do whatever it takes to make your experience fun and exciting!

I have bought three new Taurus' and have never seen one that looked that bad, EVER. Glad you are satisfied with their excuse but I am not sure I would have taken it so easily. I do not believe what he said for one second.   Just a suggestion, might want to call Taurus and see if it has ever been in for warranty work.

How about we FIRE them instead?

I'm kind of left feeling the same way about them. I'm definitely not angry or anything, because it's entirely possible it came from Taurus that way--I don't really have a good reason to not believe the manager I spoke with. He went to great lengths to explain the gun had been purchased from their distributor (Davidson) in mid April, and that they had no reason to shoot it or rent it out because they have handguns worth up to $2,000 in their rental lineup (as if that means anything.) What he didn't have is any sort of empathy. Some businesses try to build good client relationships, and some businesses care about nothing but moving inventory. EW seems to fall squarely into the latter category.   If it was my business I'd have at least started out by saying I understand how someone would wonder about such a dirty gun sold as new, and would have apologized. I basically got the impression he wanted this problem dealt with quickly and for me to know in no uncertain terms that there was no reason for me to even wonder why the gun was so dirty.   I can't really say they've done anything wrong, but there is definitely a better way to handle a customer's concerns.   I guess now I'll clean this little gun up and hope it shoots well.

That is automatic five years just for looking at the picture. JTM We the People of the United States, in order to form a more Perfect Union......

Oh please, PLEASE let somebody from EW come here and start defending the place. I love those threads.

That's a little more than usual for the test fire.

  I'm 65 and smoked bales of it. People do believe me. :) :)   - OS

I did some work on this today. Bottom line is they're slow as hell on everything except getting your money... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 of course it ate my spelling.