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Well, I have read all 6 pages of this thread and learned almost nothing but it was a nice read.  Really nice discussions on several levels. Like I have said in the past, I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer. In conclusion I figured out the Principal did something wrong and the Cheerleaders did what they thought was right but then turned out to be wrong because the principal was wrong yet the Cheerleaders were right because they were not wrong in saying a prayer.   Saying the Prayer offended someone and they threatened the Cheerleaders with physical harm for saying the prayers. That is totally out of line regardless of who was right or wrong in the beginning. You never threaten a child for any reason. I would not consider my self to be a crazy religious person by any means. I don't discuss my religious beliefs with any one because I think that is my business.   I will say this, I have my beliefs and other people have their beliefs. If a group of cheerleaders gather together and have a prayer so what. I would not be offended either way and be adult, accept that is their beliefs and move on. I would not feel I was having anything forced upon me because I am more of an adult and a person than that. I consider many of today's petty issues childish when it comes to things such as this.    I served with a guy that was a proclaimed Atheist and he didn't mind letting any one and every one around him know it. He made it quite clear to all concerned and even those who weren't concerned. About 14 months into our tour we came under attack while on patrol and he got shot up pretty bad and my medic was working frantically to keep him alive. I was on my knees working with the medic and the soldier looked at me and said I'm going to die and I said I don't know.     His last words were " Sir, will you say a prayer for me tonight and ask GOD to forgive me?" I thought a few seconds and I said yes and about 10 seconds later he was gone. I kept my promise that night under the stars I said a Prayer for him. I told GOD that I had not ask him for much since I was just a little boy but I had a request from someone and I am fulfilling a promise I made and I said my prayer for him. I wanted to share that because in a few ways it seems appropriate here. In all honesty I do believe there are true Atheists in the world and I honestly thought in my heart that that soldier was one but I guess my judgement was off a little.   I did a lot of thinking after that day and night about many things in life and how we really think we know so much when in all reality we know very little. We are trying to live a life we think is what we want but in the very very far back corner of out heart, soul and brain their is that  very small question mark saying " Is this all there is or is there so much more"?   I have suffered a lot of grief in my life but I think there is always someone out there that has suffered so much more. I often allow my mind go back to 1990 when I buried my Father I dearly loved in April totally unexpected, my Grandfather I loved in June, My brother next oldest to me passed unexpectedly in his sleep in July at the age of 41 and my son which was expected  four 4 years and was living on borrowed time since the night of his accident.  He passed away in August 1990. Lost the Love of my life in 97 to a heart attack.   I look at this world today and I wonder how it has lasted as long as it has with every one complaining about everything someone else is doing or saying and all of the petty little things that people can find to argue about. Has anyone besides me ever wondered what it would be like to just 1 time in their life turned on the TV and the evening news reporter saying   "Well, we have had another day of peace across the world and the weather is nice and that is the news for today!"  I have and it is a beautiful thought until reality sets back in....................jmho

Willis, as I have said many times...Thank You for all the work you have put into this.   Too many don't realize the amount of time and labor that goes into setting all this up.   Dealing with the knife company initially organizing a buy.   Getting people interested enough to sing up for a buy.   Dealing with a design.   Getting it approved by potential buyers.   Getting that design worked out by the manufacturer.   Getting the "buyers" involved to pay, and do it in a timely manner. Almost having to threaten and beg to get us to pay up after signing up.   Then all the time you have involved in just sitting here compiling names and address to send them out.   Plus the amount of computer time you've spent just watching this and answering questions and responding to comments.   I'm sure this has been an emotional and physical drain on you. And I fully understand your reluctance to do it again.   For my part, I think you are a great person to have taken this on; and I gratefully acknowledge your efforts.   Many Thanks, and as my beloved grandmother use to say. "Until you are better paid...Thank You."

Maybe Hillary ordered them to stand down.

  What a complete asshole. I'm with TMF. Somebody just needs to stomp a mudhole in him.

I imagine they'll use the same excuse as our education system and say that more funding will fix any shortcomings they might have.

That always makes me nervous too cutting big branches from the stand like that. If it's a really branchy tree, I'll sit on the limb I want to cut and use a hand saw to lop off the bulk of it like you did. Then I'll get off and cut the remaining stump. Scary stuff for sure. Glad it worked out for you. I'll be out tomorrow finishing up some maintenance on my stands. I drove by my hunting land tonight and had 3 does run from it across the street in front of me. Good times await Edit: btw, nice stands you have there slappy

Head to D.C.?? Why ever would you want to do that? I put it up there with Memphis.

And here is a video! The rifle definitely kicked more. Which made follow up shots harder and i got a good deal of gas in my face. But it was so much fun, I've never shot a suppressor before!   http://vid1074.photobucket.com/albums/w418/drumguy180/IMG_0655.mp4

  That's what I'm afraid of.

  Watch the '55 closer, he broke loose (around 1:08) and started sliding towards the other car, then lost it during the correction.    As for the seat belt, those only have a lap band... And the reason a lot of tracks won't let cars that index over a certain speed run without having a 5 point.  Hell, if it was my track if you don't at least have a shoulder and lap band, you wouldn't be allowed to run it.

If you use the extended pistol buffer tube and a 10.5" barrel the overall length gets past 26". 26" is important because you can put a vertical forward grip on the gun. If you use a barrel shorter than that you will have a gun that is not 26", or more, and you cannot use a vertical forward grip. Regardless of overall length you can run an angled forward grip.   My wife has a 16" 9mm barrel and it gives 357 magnum performance. I would think as long as the barrel is at least 10.5" it should be close to 357 magnum performance.   Here is a website that tested calibers based on barrel length. http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/index.html Here is 9mm:http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html And 223/5/56:http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/223rifle.html

I read on the interweb that a guy was passing around a petition to force obumma to let the guy stay. After all he got over the fence fair square. Just like the illegals coming across the Mexican border. Obumma can support him and his family.

  Yeah, open or concealed carrying the thing in "firearm" config you are technically breaking TN law, but concealed carry of it on person also loses the interpretative exemption from AOW status under federal law, and that's a much more serious rap.   Before the TN law about firearms in vehicles changed, I actually always took the VFG off mine even for transport, as it only was lawful to have a loaded "handgun", "shotgun", or "rifle" in vehicle.   But anyway, that's an issue most AR pistol folks don't even care about. Main thing to consider is what you expect from the 5.56/.223 round from short barrels, as the standard round suffers all the way down the line from the 20" barrel it was originally designed for.   Can tell you that the 10.5" barrel loses about 300 fps compared to a 16", and the 7.5" is somewhere around 150 fps less than that.   - OS

If you carry it, and it is 26"+, you must NOT have the VFG because with the VFG it is no longer a pistol. If you remove the VFG it returns to being a pistol and you can carry is concealed like any other handgun. 26" and a VFG turns it into a "firearm".

They probably have to take a poll first to find out if they should fire or not

Yes, They are much louder with the shorter barrel as well as a lot more flash.

Well, luckily we don’t live in the countries that have tried that. Oh wait… luck has nothing to do with it; it’s because that is not what our founding Fathers intended, and the American people would never stand for it. Our men and women have fought and died against those that tried because it is wrong.   Set what kind of example? Firing him for what he did would almost guarantee him a new job; probably better than the one he had. Christians won’t let someone suffer because they suggested prayer. The ones that would try to fire him should be the ones out in the cold… and would be.

LMB and Hozzie both have good points and the points are that they agree to disagree but it is not meant to be hurtful as much as it is a discussion about a situation which is about a mistake made by a human being that is not perfect but is a principal of  school and it is the poor cheerleaders that are taking the brunt of the storm which is totally not fair...........jmho on that.   Now this very same issue has not only be taken up at the high school levels. It was also taken up at the Professional levels of sports. The only difference is those little trouble makers known as the ACLU found out right quick that they made a very large mistake when you get out of your league. They stepped up to the Big times and tried to get prayer controlled first in baseball. The Major League Commissioner was nice enough he told each team that it was the Leagues decision that as far as prayers before a game were concerned they would be leaving that up to the owners of the individual teams to make that decision and it ended there.   Then they went after the NFL and pretty much got the same answer that base ball gave them. They said that the NFL Commission did not have a stand on a prayer issue but it would be up to the owners of each team as to how they handled the prayer issue but as far as the NFL League, they would be remaining neutral.   Gotta love the next one. The ACLU big wheels went to Florida to have a discussion back years ago with Mr. France at NASCAR. Yep!!!!  They came right down here in the middle of the Bible belt to confront NASCAR on their decision to no longer have a Pastor say a prayer for the drivers and all in attendance at the home of NASCAR. The Daytona 500 in February of that year. Mr France was polite for a short time and he told them that with all due respect there would be a prayer at the Daytona 500 and every NASCAR event after that one. One of them spoke up and I still don't have a clue what he said but Mr France's reply to him was "You take your Yankee A$$es back up where you came from and Pound Sand cause we will have prayers and you don't have to watch or attend any of the races if your offended!" and Track Security escorted them out.    So with that said, the ACLU found out right quick what league they can play in and what ones they cannot. I guess they better stick with principals and cheerleaders....................jmho

  I'm not talking about people that wish to have a civil discussion or give opinions without making threats or calling names or making personal remarks about us worshiping the Easter Bunny, etc. A discussion about God vs no God can be healthy, but kept civil. I respect your right to chose to be an athiest & agree there can be extremist on both sides of the coin. I won't call a person names if they choose not to believe & I expect the same in return. What I feel infringes on my rights are the anti prayer/anti religious folks that actually take steps to ban prayer because it might offend someone, or want to tryo to get the pricipal fired, or make threats against us who do chose to pray. The articles don't go into detail about what's happening in the community & some of the threats that have been made in emails, etc... aren't released & they are being investigated. Some of the teenagers are scared to come forward.   I have no problem with voiced opinions or compromise, but banning or making religion illegal IS trying to control people's heart's & mind's because religious beliefs is very important in the lives of millions of people. The big picture is more than simply banning it at sporting events. Where will it stop? It's no different than banning the 1st amendment & working your way down the list. What if a group of people got together & told you that YOU were wrong for loving your children, wife, or family & would press charges, get you fired, or harm you or your family if you disagreed? Wouldn't you take that to heart? What about genocide? My examples sound extreme, but small things tend to snowball & it has happended around the world. Having faith in God is not grounds for harrassment or mistreatment by anyone so long as we do no harm. It's perfectly ok for anyone to voice an opinion & to disagree, but groups like the ACLU are making life stressful for people they don't even know & don't care about to begin with by taking rights. It's all about control & those that gain power (govt., politicians, anti groups, etc...) don't often know when to quit. One day even the right to give an opinion may be taken.   I do understand many people may find prayers at the beggining of a ball game offensive, but what harm has it done? Are laws condemning prayer actually making the world a better place or is it simply pacifying those with a bug up their shorts? 30 seconds of prayer won't make anyone's head explode unless they have a bomb in their hat set for 29 seconds. :rofl:   I apologize if my comments have offended members, but an apology is all I can give. My statements are my opinion & how I personally feel, not intended to insult anyone or meant to start an arguement. If the mods feel I've overstepped my bounds let me know & we can close the thread. Otherwise I hope we can keep it friendly.

You need to pay attention and do your job or you will have to fire yourself for poor job performance................. :rofl: :rofl: :rock:

Since 9mm is my favorite caliber and my wife has a .38 LCR that I really like, I will definitely have to give this a look.  Interesting that it weighs more than the .38 but I guess it probably should if it will handle +p.  

I like big boxes. Dented ammo sucks.

  Maybe this was a subliminal message get you to order more and fill the box next time (it wasn't).    Though, I'd imagine the suprise of those filling the order was greater than yours at the size of the packaging.  "One box of ammo...nobody orders only one box.  We're always shipping it out en masse."

Might not want to mess with the principal, remember he's a government agent. I have the song "secret agent man" stuck in my head now.

Yeah probably cheaper to buy and easier to sort lots of that one size box than a bunch of different smaller sizes. I don't have any doubt they do it the cheapest way possible.  :pleased:

  Even after only 2 weeks of being a Team Leader @ McDonald's...., you would still have far more executive decision-making experience than the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue!   

The bill also apparently lowers the permit age to 19, allows open carry, prevents MDs from asking about guns in the home, and prohibits discrimination against gun owners in housing. That's one heck of a bill from the looks of it. :stunned:

I like drag racing, but those guys are morons.  Both of them.  There's so much going wrong there it's hard to know where to start.

How do your windbag protectors and jealous guarders of the rights of the minority come down on the protection of a bunch of kids that have been harassed and called names for expressing their faith...?   What about standin up for them...?   http://www.wbir.com/story/news/local/scott-campbell-morgan/2014/09/19/oneida-cheerleaders-bullied-for-pregame-prayer/15911031/   leroy

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the first part of your post, but I can sign on to the last paragraph 100%. Public schools suck.

Batman is right. That's a great thread and Caster is good people and was helpful to me as well! :up:   Another excellent thread on here is Dolomite's "Powder Coating the Super Duper Easy Way". Dol is always a great help as well and it's appreciated. :up: :up:   http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/topic/73808-powder-coating-the-super-duper-easy-way/     I also agree that the folks at Cast Boolits are GTG, friendly, and helpful.

He will, single handedly, change the gun laws in Tennessee.   I have been writing my representatives to try to get the rifle carry law changed. I see no reason why I can be trusted to carry a loaded handgun on my person but I cannot be trusted to carry a loaded long gun on my person.

Nonsense. Nothing keeps you from sending your children to private schools. But many people can’t afford that and children need formal education more now than ever to be able to compete in life. Social skills, religion and moral and ethical attitudes is part of that. If you don’t agree with what they see and hear in school then you do something about it at home; you don’t fire the principal because he suggested a prayer. Many parents teach their children they are entitled and protected by the laws and the Constitution, and that they don’t have to answer to anyone. Nothing is further from the truth and they find that out when they get out in the workplace. You can’t fire everyone you don’t agree with and in the case I doubt the parents or the students would stand for. Firing a principal for suggesting a prayer? I can think of some places and some times where that would not have surprised me. But most of us in this country haven’t fallen that far yet.

I carry a Glock 29 10 mm in case I need to level cities

I have more than 30 years of shooting and gunsmithing experience, including hundreds of custom AR builds and complete tear downs. I also own and have used the original slide fire stock on more than 6 different ARs, with dozens of shooters of all ages and sizes. Based on my experience, I have to disagree with most of these points above. The slide fire stock doesn't make the gun more difficult to aim, as the gun still uses the same sights. The rapid fire and resulting muzzle climb might initially make it more difficult for a novice to stay on target, but most novices that tried my slide fire stock were able to keep most of their 30 rounds within a human silhouette pattern at distances between 15-20 yards, and then with just a little training and practice they got much better, especially when using several short 3-6 round bursts. Even a small 9 year old kid did it fine with no prior rifle instruction other than proper safety controls during his run. Nobody had any trouble learning how to shoot it, with most shooters learning the proper forearm trigger control method after just 2 or 3 short bursts. While a 30 round mag could be used up quickly, and more rounds are always welcome, the typical civilian defensive scenario with just 1-3 attackers at short distance isn't something that would require more than 2-4 short bursts anyway. The super large mags and belt fed guns are mainly for military combat use, where they will have dozens or hundreds of adversaries and be shooting for extended periods at longer ranges, and laying down suppressive or covering fire. And the statement about bump fire being hard on the gun is just false. Most if not all of the modern ARs are built to meet and exceed military specifications, and often the civilian parts are made by the same military contract suppliers as the more expensive guns. I have torn down and rebuilt more than a dozen Colt M16s from Vietnam, and those guns are not magically better or more durable, in fact they had a few older inferior parts that have since been improved, and they used thin pencil barrels that would overheat faster than most modern heavier or fluted civilian barrels. I have run at least 300 rounds through a cheap parts kit AR in less than 10 minutes and it fired perfectly with no harm done, other than the barrel getting super hot and of course the usual fouling in the action. And if you run the slide fire on a modern piston action then it actually stays cooler and cleaner than those old military guns ever did. I do agree with JONIN though that the slide fire stock is primarily for target shooting and fun recreation, as most people (just one or a few guns and little or no recurring practice) wouldn't need or benefit from using it in a typical defensive scenario. But then again it can always be switched to semiauto mode, so the argument would be why not just have it, just in case?

Thanks Ruger!  I'm sorry its my ugly mug you have to see and not some super model...but hey, even if I was some super model, you'd only be getting excited about the deer stand anyways! LOL!!     The first 2 pictures are of a stand that I placed fairly close to a bedding area so it should produce some deer.   In the last stand pic, I am SUPER excited about.  It sits overlooking a 4 acre clover field.  The deer tend to enter the field to the right and the left of that stand and should result in some fantastic bow hunting!     It worked out fine....but I am not very proud of what I decided to do in order to install that last deer stand.  In my past, I have had serious illness as well as several surgeries to fix broken bones and torn cartilage (not completely hunting related)...so needless to say, I have an ABUNDANCE of caution to not cause myself more harm.  BUT deadlines and deer season can cause a man to go far past his comfort zone and if you look at that last pic, you can see 3 massive branches just above the seat of that tree stand.  Well those branches needed to be removed in order to sit in the seat.     I have a Stihl, telescoping pole saw that couldn't even come close to those branches.  So the only option was for me to cut those branches WHILE IN THE STAND.  Yikes!!  Its hard to tell, but those were very thick branches, and the extended VERY far into the field (in an effort to out-compete other trees to get the sunlight).  So I knew I needed to cut the branches down, but that it would require 2 cuts for each branch.  The first cut would take off 90% of the branch, the 2nd cut would be right up against the trunk of the tree so I can lean back against the tree truck and still be able to hunt/draw my bow back.  Well, I decided I would use a chainsaw to make the first cuts of each branch.     Again, I am still kicking myself for doing it, although it turned out ok.  My heart was at wedding night levels for like 30 minutes, but I successfully cut the branches, then had to finish them off w/ a hand saw.     So, the stand is now perfect, and will offer many, many years of great hunting! Thanks be to God for not calling me home just yet.... :)

  And he still as bigger balls than most of us.

This is incredible. I watches a few times. His legs were already out of the windshield on the last couple rolls. He is extremely lucky. Someone was watching over him.

I think you'll find "best" barrel length to be highly subjective. My favorite length AR pistol I've built is a 10.5". Short enough to still be very compact, but with a OAL long enough for me to use a forward vertical grip. I've heard it said some have trouble with getting shorter barrels like 7.5 inches to run right, but I wouldn't pay any attention to that. An AR is an AR regardless. I built one as a 7.5", but I found myself almost being forced to grip the magwell with my support hand because the barrel and handguard were so short and I didn't shoot it very well. Just my experiences. I find that with the longer barrel of the 10.5" it's easier for me to use almost my normal hand positioning and be more accurate with the weapon. I can make hits with it easily out to 200 yards.

        Trust me, I'll be on it in the morning.  Every morning, I cruise this forum, FB, several email groups, and media outlets for my day's list. And, I journal it.   I cannot describe how significant prayer has been in my general well-being over the last ten years or so.  Were it any other way for me, I would have crashed and burned a long time ago.  Those who actually know my story, can attest.   Simply put, there is power in prayer, especially when praying for others.  So, like you, I need them too.  He rarely answers my requests in self-interest, but responds amazingly in the others.   A few years ago, I had an agnostic friend suddenly ask during dinner -   "Do you get feedback?"   me - "huh??"   him - "when you pray, does he answer?"   me - "Of course. Otherwise, it is a waste of time & breath!"    Edited to add - One of my favorite promises of God:   Philippians 4:6-10 New Living Translation (NLT)   6 Don’t worry about anything; instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need, and thank him for all he has done. 7 Then you will experience God’s peace, which exceeds anything we can understand. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus.   8 And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise. 9 Keep putting into practice all you learned and received from me—everything you heard from me and saw me doing. Then the God of peace will be with you.

It's clear athiests can't truely discuss religion since they think it's the same thing as the Easter Bunny or a cartoon character in their minds. They clearly have the right to feel that way, but NOT to infringe on the rights of believers... just like another "anti" group we often tak about. The anti religious have an unexplainable fear of something they don't understand & want to get rid of it...just like another "anti" group we often talk about. See a pattern yet? The ACLU is completely wrong in trying to ban any & all forms of religious freedom because it strikes at the hearts of human nature. I know the principal personally & he's not a trouble maker & isn't driven by some dark unknown force. I saw one rediculous comment about firing him, wich doesn't make any sense, first since you don't know anymore than the news article told you, & because he's actually looking out for the rights & freedom of the the student body he cares about. What are you all so afraid of? The anti religious are actually worse than the anti gun groups because they're trying to control the heart's & mind's of citizens within society. When people use the excuse, "well, the ACLU made it a rule...or the govt said so in a vote...", it's nothing more than a cop out by control freaks. Remember that when the 2nd amendment is taken by the same type of liberals that wanted to ban religion in schools. Banning free speech & religion in schools is socialism 101. I say live & let live, have a nice day, & do no harm to others when possible. Life is much simpler than people make it. :)

I prefer cartoons for adults.  The cartoon network does a 180 late at night. (Adult Swim) "Black Dynamite" is a good one. :2cents:

Visited that page many times.  Lot's of great information there even though from a technical standpoint the website sucks.

I find it amusing how some who often complain about the size and overreach of government want to use that behemoth to intervene on their behalf and put a stop to speech they find offensive.    I know I certainly feel better that my tax dollars are being used to employee bureaucrats who will police such functions to make sure nobody is offended by any religious speech.  ;)

since you asked,   prayer has no place in a public forum.     You can pray to your god, I can pray or not pray as I see see fit.  Do it in private.  I am not educated in the bible, but isn't there something in there about not being public in showing you faith?  Maybe I did not word it right, but if it is true you you still get my gist.    I went to a private Catholic high school.  I do not recall prayers over the PA before sporting events.     I do not go along with any threats of violence for much of any reason.   You believe in the man in the sky, I don't.  My belief should not be forced on you, nor your's on me.     Can't we all get along?

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http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/small-vs-large-pistol-primers-45-acp/ http://www.starlinebrass.com/articles/Small-Primer-vs-Large-Primer/ Rumor I have read several times is large primer decision is because one can make .45 ACP by cutting down 30.06 brass.

My principles? You have no idea what those are. I absolutely believe in this douchebag's right to be armed as well as his right to free speech. There is no law against him walking with an unloaded rifle and body armor only feet from a school full of children. There's also no law against dressing up in a barely there speedo, a light coat of oil and a sign that says "Free Candy", and hang out right in front of an elementary school. I believe that the first amendment guarantees that. But if it's the school I drop my kid off at, I'm gonna bounce that dudes head off the pavement while I wait for the cops to get there. I believe that any man has the right to speak freely, to the point that I believe the 1st amendment protects the speech of any man to call my wife vulgar names. Doesn't mean I won't knock that person's teeth down their throat. This guy has taken what is legal to do, and he is using it as a tool of intimidation on innocent kids and parents. I don't need the Constitution or a bunch of laws to tell me what is right and wrong. I know what that is. When a grown man intimidates innocent women and children he needs to have his ass curb stomped. Those are my principles, sir. I mean exactly what I say here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I like all of 'em, and have at least one of every (common) type of action. I carry striker fired guns, Smith & Wesson's M&Ps and Shield, to be more specific. Very rarely, I carry a Smith 3913 just for kicks.