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Correct. Glock decided to stick with tradition rather than suddenly make a firearm that looks like a river otter clutching a fish in its mouth. ;) What you need to think about for a moment is the advantage this gives to the gentleman who wishes to procure more than one firearm in his life without being nagged by his spouse. If they all look the same, that new gun is "the same one I've had for years honey". Pure genius. Here's a test: Question: Which of these Glocks have I owned for longer than a year? Answer: Why are you up my ass about this? It's the SAME gun you've seen me carry for months. Shouldn't you be ironing something??? :hat: Disclaimer: Not a trained marriage advisor. Proceed at own risk.

I've been around enough mean-spirited Chihuahuas in my life to be reasonably sure that the Spanish used to deploy them in packs of 12 to 24 as weapons, hurled across the top of castle walls via trebuchet.  Like little needle-toothedcluster bombs.

These are my killers in their natural environment. I had to put the one on the left, Maggie, to sleep a couple of weeks ago. My father died last year and I didn't shed a tear. I can't say that about Maggie... My male, in the center, is a loveable dick. If you happen to be on "his" couch, you're getting laid on. The girls, and me, just accept it. You can tell how thrilled Maggie is about it, though. BTW, you can't see it in the pic, but there is plenty of couch space for him to lay by himself. He does this in the bed too. I end up fighting for blanket with an 80lb Weim...

  Pits Bulls are the Glocks of the Dog world.  When you heard dog attacked, the media has brainwashed people so much that people immediately think pit bull.

I love pit bulls. I think that they are a breed that is unfortunately surrounded with lots of misinformation and poor handling. Some of that misinformation is in this thread.

Very cool. 4 rounds per crank... where am I gonna find 4 rounds of 22lr? :lol:

Little Jimmy Dickens was one of my fathers favorite singers as I was growing up. And like most of us here, at that time in my life I just could not stand to hear "that Opry stuff." Dad and I argued often over our musical differences.   And Little Jimmy was one of the bigger ones we disagreed over. I just absolutely hated his voice and style. But that was a long time ago. Shows how much I knew didn't it?   Dad and Mom knew one of the stage musicians on the Opry and got to go behind the curtain so to speak several times. So one Saturday morning they woke me up early to tell of having walked around with Wayne Rodgers, a stage guitarist, and meeting several people. One of whom was Little Jimmy Dickens.   They both raved about how nice he was to them. Took time to talk and asked about them as well. It really impressed them that he spent probably 20 minutes with them.   Of course, the fact that Wayne was president of Texas Boot Company at that time, and Dad ran the maintenance/repair divison for them, did help.   Wayne had met several of the big name stars at that time and had gotten western boots for many of them. That's how he got to play onstage. lol   Anyway, sorry I'm longwinded tonight, Tater asked Wayne for a pair of boots. Wayne told Jimmy that he needed to ask my dad about it as he actually did make the boots for Wayne's little bribery scheme.   The short of the tale is that dad got a kick out of making a pair for Tater and then got to go back and give them to him.   Little Jimmy Dickens gave them and many, many others enjoyment for a long, long time. He will be missed.   And like the Possum sang "...who's gonna fill their shoes"   In this case it will take an awful big man to fill Little Jimmy Dickens' shoes.

I think that we could surmise here that responsible dog ownership is very akin to responsible gun ownership. 

This one is around 11" OAL with a blade right around 5 7/8". It's made from 1/4" thick 1095 carbon steel professionally heat treated to a RC of 60. The scales are a combination of black G10 and red linen micarta with grey liners. It has two choils and an unsharpened swedge or false edge. I really like the ergonomics on this knife and as you see fits very well in a mans hand. It also has jimping along the spine just forward of the scales. I've applied mineral oil to the knife and haven't wiped it all off yet. That's why it's so shiny. The reason for the two choils is for more delicate or close up work and you can see how well the fingers fit.

  What you probably fail to grok is how securely he has the power to control what legislation gets to his desk, through Beth Harwell and other trusted sycophants. The House Finance Ways and Means committee is literally his personal graveyard for anything he actually opposes, regardless of what he says to the press.   - OS

That sir is what I call a dog pile. :)

Once while camping in the Western North Carolina mountains a local sheriffs deputy came by to check us out.  He was obviously very bored and asked us if we minded if he hung out at our fire for the remainder of his shift.  One thing led to another and eventually he got the breathalizer out and would guess where each of us was after giving us a field sobriety test.  I remember blowing a .06 and I was in no condition to drive, and I'm not a light weight by any means.  One of my coolest cop encounters.    

I had the opportunity to work with Tater last year. What a wonderful, funny, no nonsense man. It was an outdoor festival in eastern TN. There were a lot of young performers, the crowd was full of oddly colored hair and tattoos and piercings... NOT a Little Jimmy crowd. When he came out... all those youngsters ran to get as close as they could, and every song he sang, they knew every word and sang along. It was amazing. He looked over at me with a look of, "What the hell?" :rofl:   We were talking backstage at the Opry one night, and I had mentioned I wasn't sure that I was gonna get there earlier that night, because I'd had car trouble. He looked at me and said, "Son, if it's got tits or a motor, it's gonna give you trouble."   I will miss him greatly. Godspeed, Jimmy. You were the last of the breed.

January 2, 2015... TGO Logo Decals are once again available in the store. Will be ordering more once this batch runs out. Also once again available in the store are the "Shall Not Be Infringed" decals. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/store/

My opinion basically echos others here that it has everything to do with upbringing and ownership. We have two Pit Rottweiler mixes, a Staffordshire and a couple other mutts. They would all rather snuggle than bite. If you have large breed dogs you must be a responsible owner with complete control of your dogs. Maintaining you are the leader is part of that. I also believe dogs can be like humans and some are just off. I think if you look into these incidents further there will be clues as to why it happened. It happens more with pits because of morons trying to make them more aggressive instead of actually working with and loving their dog. I've been around large dogs all my life. Been bitten by several other people's dogs. Worst was a neglected mutt. I truly believe it's 99% owners fault and the dogs are just dogs.

This old gal has a few more years on her than most women I am attracted to, but in only two short months she has become the love of my life. My wife actually gave her to me for my birthday (translation: she caught me sneaking her down the back steps to basement). 1952 Savage Model 99E in .308 Winchester.

I have a hard time keeping my pants up with half that much stuff. 

You guys must rattle like hell when you walk.

I have no use for under rails.  I really like a top rail for target/range guns so I can red-dot them if I want.   But lights and doo-dads don't fit me.  IMHO they should just drill it for a rail to be put on after, rather than build the ugly things onto the frame.  Make it easy to add if wanted, and not there if not wanted.

The Opry will never be the same. I'm not sure I've ever been there when he wasn't.   I liked the one he told about mowing his yard. He said a well to do lady stopped and asked how much he was charging to mow the lawn he was mowing. He told her the lady in this house lets me sleep with her! :rofl:

This is from a Tennessee DUI attorney website; but I am unsure of Tennessee laws. In the state I was in .08 was a legal presumption, but you could be charged down to .05 with supporting evidence. If you refuse, BAC will not be an issue and you will take the fall anyway.  

The following quote is one of the more powerful ones that she mentioned:      It came from the article named "A Nation of Cowards". It was a good read. I found it here: http://www.rkba.org/comment/cowards.html

I'm a big fan of the GSD. They make great working dogs and family members. I don't like small kids around large dogs unattended. When it comes to an animals prey drive, it's something that's under control until it isn't. I fall into the camp that believes that there are more bad owners than bad dogs.

I have been a pit owner /breeder and lover for 25 years.   These dogs need to be socialized  like every other dog breed.  If done properly , you cannot ask for a better pet and protector.  BUT.. chain them up.. never take them anywhere and dont teach them the basic/advanced commands.. They are and can be dangerous, in the hands of people who dont care about the breed except how it makes them look. And that goes for any breed..  The crap they are breeding now.. called Bullies.. are a sick version of the old bloodlines and dont even resemble anything a pit used to look like.We own a female who I would trust with anyone.. absolutly.. would I put her alone with her on the ground and leave my grandbaby  with her? no way.. ever.. because she is a dog and she has preydrive.. like any other dog. She is the sweetest dog in the world. her only fault is that she loves to sit on people and sing to them.. ..Now Gus on the other hand is a bit hestitant with others, and i am sure if we let him,. he would eat someone .. he is a good boy but way worse that any other dog we ever owned.. and he is  very well socialized.    Accident and maulings happen because of  the people who own them and have no clue how to raise a dog.. much less a Pit bull. And those statistics are wrong because not all dog bites get reported...

Pits have been bred to be what they are now. It's a shame. I have one and ride the fence on the matter. I side with the typical PB lover in that, they ARE very misunderstood. I don't side with PB lovers in that they are NOT always the lovable sweetheart. Pit Bulls are a 'Might Makes Right' dog. Works out fine for me, I feel the same way. If you're the kind of person who asks your dog to do something, pits are not for you. If you have ANY issue asserting your will and dominance, pits are not for you. MY pit will do ANYTHING I tell him to, inasmuch as he has the ability to understand. I love him and would fight over him any day. I do NOT ask him to do anything, I TELL him. I've been accused of being abusive because when I tell him to do something, I sound something akin to John Kreese. BUT, he minds, he respects me and he gets frequent belly rubs and crock pot deer ribs and neck meat, I ain't eatin' it but he loves it. We have a simple routine and he has it memorized. I let him out of the shop in mornings. He hangs out outside (fenced in yard) for the day and comes back in at night. He waits for me every morning and every evening. I can actually go through every ritual he and I have without some much as a word. I say all this but....I don't trust him. Not me mind you, others. I will bite him on the nose and dare him to give me a dirty look, but I don't trust him around others. He hates EVERYONE but me and my wife. I don't wanna sound hippy but it ain't his fault. He didn't ask to be the way he is. Fortunately for him, he got rescued while he was young and I gave him a good home and kept him outta trouble.

I have never owned a pit, but have been around them often enough to know a few things about them which goes for most large breeds. First, don't show fear or aggression, like any pack animal they may respond as an alpha to put you in your place. If they are your dog(s) you must always be the alpha, no matter what. While I never like to hurt any dog, sometimes a smack on the nose or backside is warranted. Not for the pain, which should be slight, but for the shock and admonishment. The largest dogs I have owned were rottweilers, and all have been the biggest babies around the family. My son, who was just crawling at the time would be hell on Duke my last rotty, but all Duke would do is sit or lay accross him. But I never left them alone, its just not wise, as even siblings get in fights. I think large breeds get a bad rap, mostly due to irresponsible owners. And due to their size, they cause more damage faster.

  I've witnessed ours run for his life, unsuccessfully on the hardwood floors for lack of traction I might add, on more than one occasion when a cabinet door was shut too loudly or a pot or pan fell onto the floor.  It's like watching a giraffe try to breakdance on a frozen pond.

I have owned three Dobermans in my life, my last one past a year and a half ago. I was a responsible dog owner, had control of my dog , and controlled who was around him at all times. I have little patience or sympathy for those that do not. The worst are those that allow their dogs to run free off their property. We shouldn't need laws to make them control their dogs, but obviously we do. Any dog can bite, but unless someone is breaking into your home or attacking you; it is your responsibility to make sure it doesn't happen and your liability if it does.

  My female is the exact same way. Hell, she is deathly afraid of a baby gate we have because if fell over once and made a loud noise.

  You obviously do not know anything about Dobermans.

My keys are a little jangly...

  In Nietzche one actually, :)   That's what I did with the quote characters that went wonky in a post. Just happened to have noticed it as was re-reading last page of a thread.   Still wonder if it's not a FireFox specific interaction, though. The LexisNexis failure just appeared very recently too.   - OS

I've always wanted a Mauser pistol

All I carry is my m&p 9, knife, wallet and phone. I can't handle all that other crap. My truck holds my med kit, flashlight and spare mag. 

I've been around PBs, including my own, that I'd bet my life would never bite a human that didn't deserve it. However, I've heard too many "the dog just snapped" stories not think there's something to it. I still think it's got more to do with nurture than nature, though. If there was any generalization about a breed of dog that I DO agree with it's this one... I've never met one I liked and I've net met one that liked anyone but his owner. My mother-in-law moved in with us a few months ago. She brought one of these foul beasts with her. That little evil dog snarls, barks, and growls every time I walk into or leave the room. I, for one, will NOT be growled at by a dog in my own house. So, when I enter the living room and that dog growls, I will walk directly over to her, pick her up from my mother-in-law's lap and tell her no. I flip her over, forcing her belly up, and pet her belly. I guess I exude alpha hormones or something, because she ceases growling when I get within a few feet. Yet, no matter how many times I do this and/or bring her a treat and/or ignore her...this little dog just won't stop.

David, I couldn't be more pleased with the 308 set I bought from CMT. It went together very easily and the fit and finish is perfect. I took a couple friends shooting on New Year's Day and they liked it the best by a wide margin.

  There are those in the pro-gun community who are somewhat elitist in their attitude - they don't trust anyone else to carry but themselves.

Several years ago when the legal level was still 0.10  a nurse where I worked that was arrested for DUI was brought in to the ER to be tested. Her blood alcohol content was only 0.06 but had to go to jail anyway for the night. The deputy said she would beat it in court but he had to follow through with the arrest anyway. When his back was turned she thanked me under her breath thinking I had fudged the results for her so she obviously thought she was drunk. I let her know in no uncertain terms that I would not falsify a medical record just to get her off. I value keeping my license. I've also seen young teens passed out from alcohol that were nowhere near the legal limit.

On rental damages...  I could see damages destroying your business.  A friend of mine owns a motorcycle rental business, talk about people tearing stuff up, his customers crash a few of his bikes each year.  Can't remember off the top of my head but he puts a hold of something like $3,000 on their credit card when they rent, plus in his contract he specifies that the client is responsible for any damages beyond that as well.  Big difference between equipment and motorcycles is that 3 grand can about replace most of his motorcycles while 3 grand wouldn't cover most heavy equipment repairs.  Also working against you using something like this is that it is not the industry norm (to my knowledge anyway) to put a hold on a credit card so you would have to find something that would be appealing about renting from you compared to your competition.  Obviously the advantage of doing this is that you can immediately recoup some damages without having to argue or go to court.  

I have a friend that went to a Police Training for DUI.  he was a volunteer drinker for them.  He was drinking in one room and being monitored and then other officers used him for the field sobriety test.  They had to test him and determine how close he was before giving him a breathalyzer test.   He only managed to get .07, however he failed the field sobriety test.  they told him had it been an actually side of the road test they could have arrested even though he was below the legal limit because he failed the test.   I was going to be one of the volunteer drinkers but couldn't get the day off work.  Maybe next year.   The program was pretty neat though, they provided a ride to the event, the alcohol and a ride safety home.  The goal was to keep the people right at the edge, some a little over, some a little under.    Different people are affected at different levels, he was surprised he had only got .07 but said he did feel it pretty good and he even agreed at that level he should not be driving.  He said it was a real eye opening event.

Yep, been around for 7 or 8 years.   YouTube vids:   https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=10%2F22+gatling+gun   - OS

This knife will definitely be my daily carry work knife.   Can't wait to whip it out.

A Paypal sent for a regular blade with my usual number.   Thanks Willis!

As I learned about red pinko commie trash in school I could not read much, turned my stomach.

I can't help but laugh at the Doberman characterizations.  I guess maybe pitbull owners feel the same way, but my experience with the breed has been anything but what Hollywood paints them as.  I'm sure you can train them to be vicious guard dogs by abusing them and keeping them away from any sort of friendly human contact, but the breed has the sinister nickname "Velcro Dogs" because they tend to be very clingy and needy of affection.  The one that presently shares our house with us is most happy when he's laying on the floor and has a drooling toddler crawling all over him, using his ears as reins and his snout as something to smack and slap with five fat little fingers.   He wouldn't know how to bite you if you showed him.

You should do a little research on the origins of the Doberman. Your version simply is not true. The very name Doberman is a reference to the tax collector that "created" the breed.

  Chows are some innately flaky animals.  Fatal Attraction, ice-pick under the pillow, kind of dogs.  I've known several people who owned them and to a one each of those dogs was batshit bipolar and you never knew "which dog" was going to be at the end of your arm when you went to pet them.

  Gordon, if it helps, try to look at it this way:   The people that you and I generally think of as the "gun community" are the people who think like us.  They hold dear to traditional, dare I say conservative, values and believe in the principle of God, Family, Country.  They love Liberty and love what this great nation of ours once proudly stood for, and lament what it has become and is becoming.  They are "salt of the earth" people who believe in personal freedoms and desire that they be left alone while they in turn live and let others live.  For those folks... us... a firearm is either all or in part a tool of provision, protection and freedom.   When I frame my fondness for gun owners in that light, I generally do OK and am not regularly disappointed.   But when you bear in mind that anyone regardless of their character or morals can own a gun, as our Forefathers wisely engineered into the Constitution, it widens up the audience considerably and includes all kinds of people (good and bad) with all sorts of ideas (good and bad) and all manner of agendas (good and bad).  Thankfully we TGO'ers tend to be more of the first-paragraph type and run off the majority of society's turds that happen across our happy corner of the Internet.  But damned if there aren't still some complete and utter window-lickers out there who own guns and hurt us more than they help us.

Ya know, I spoke w Jeff at Rockcastle as well. I guess we were waiting for the post to surface on doing the 308 run, and discussed it. The CMT billet components are better than nice,and when i think complete would be just as nice if not better than my 716. Count me in for sure MacGyver!