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Read a really interesting article on zerohedge yesterday talking about the cdc guidelines changing re: PCR testing. You may recall a couple months ago there was discussion about the test being used to diagnose, and its methodology being susceptible to false positive results? The CDC at the time suggested higher cycle counts to the test, despite the increasing odds of false positives. For those unfamiliar, the Dr. that INVENTED THE TEST suggested cycle counts beyond 35 were pointless, as it all but guaranteed a positive test. The CDC recommended labs use 35-40 cycles. BOOM, cases have been skyrocketting, haven't they? This week the CDC changed guidance, suggested 25 cycles would be better. Right when the vaccine comes out and starts being distributed. They move the goalposts. Ain't that convenient? Now I don't want y'all to start calling me Nastrodamus, but who wants to wager me 20 bucks we're going to see all kinds of news articles correlating a drop in positive tests with the new vax being distributed? Any takers? https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/who-finally-admits-pcr-tests-create-false-positives RTWT. The mask mandates and all the other rights-trampelling edicts coming from the government aren't working. Their own statistics prove it. Yet they're doubling down even harder, aren't they? Folks, this is why I think the response to this virus is a scam. I don't mean to single out @Grayfox54 by quoting him, but if you can't tell you're being played, I got some ocean front property in Kansas I want to talk to you about.

Agreement on that. Masking to reduce spread depends largely on a shared sense of altruism -- which is not a primary ethos in most modern homo sapiens societies. - OS

I fully understand that and also know it doesn’t mean a whole lot. The local sheriff not abiding by federal mandates is not going to stop the feds from coming in and doing as they please. It is also noteworthy that a huge percentage of this country lives under the purview of unelected, appointed police chiefs who serve at the pleasure of the local mayor and city council.

VERY, VERY sadly I have to agree with what you said. I don't want to, but the average dem, young and old, seems only to parrot what they hear from their "gods." These people are hearing exactly what's being told to them...they just can't seem to understand what it means. What will happen to them and to the nation as whole. I'm very much a simpleton in the education and life experience areas, but I can see and hear what is plainly said to the nation. It does not foretell of wine and roses for us. In fact, more likely bread and water for the non-political elites and the un-connected.

Biden’s dementia riddled brain don’t care what gun owners think. But then no Democrat mind in power does. They hate two things vehemently. Guns and the Bible. Obama showed us that in his “they cling to their guns and Bible “ rant and the Democrats show us in their actions and silence anytime Christian are attacked, or not allowed to go to church. But Biden? The man has dementia like I said. 30 years ago he would not have been allowed to run. Now he’s gonna have the famous “Nuclear Codes”? Amazing. Besides, Soros is the Democrat demigod and runs the show. After stealing Georgia senate races, the gun control hammer is going to fall. And like Schumer said, “then we’re going to fundamentally change America.” The words Fundamental Change should scare the hell out of every American. Strangely, I don’t see that happening. Maybe they just don’t realize what it means, or just don’t care. Like I said. Strange, very strange.

What stinks is that I don't want to shoot the ammo I do have. I've only been once in 2020. I'm in conservation mode for now.

I mean we all saw the video of the old woman getting tackled during Katrina right?

Right. The point is many do not understand the difference between PD and Sheriff deputies. They are all cops but have very different bosses and in many cases, agendas. The sheriff has great leeway in saying “I will not comply”, the chief of police does not. Deputies and PD officers may or may not depending on how they want their lives to go.

I'm not disputing that. I wanted to stress the point local PD won't be waiting for orders from the fed go kick in doors of their friends and neighbors. Many here and abroad think all sheriffs dept everywhere are just as excited as the antigunners to disarm the gun owners.

Lets be realistic. Whether someone agrees with it or not; your local Police or County Sherriff has zero ability to protect anyone from Federal agents of the ATF. That’s just a fact. Sure they can tell their Officers to not arrest anyone on weapons charges, but that doesn’t help when its not their Officers doing the cuffing and stuffing. Never underestimate the enemy. An Officer, Deputy, Chief or Sherriff may have a different opinion when they are facing Federal charges or facing losing their jobs.

I'm in a 2a sanctuary as well as a county where the sheriff's dept released a statement in April before the first mandate stating they would NOT enforce any mandate that trampled their citizens rights or personal freedoms.

Going back to your earlier point, many sheriffs in many counties across the country have publically said they would NOT be a part of enforcing gun confiscation nor any un-constitutional laws illegally passed and actually many states, mostly conservative ones, have passed 2nd amendment sanctuary laws. I think the ATF will be the enforcing agency to abolish gun rights if it gets that far and confiscation on the federal level. The ATF and defunding police is not even remotely the same thing.

I'm still shooting, but WAY less than I want to. I reload and cast and I'm not exactly afeared of running out of ammo, but I'm worried about what the future is going to bring, especially if the dems win the two GA seats. I'm dipping down into my normal "buffer" of primers, which I don't like a bit.

They are not hiding their intentions. That’s what so strange to me. It kinda makes me think of that movie Left Behind. It’s like these people aren’t hearing what I’m hearing.....

I'd have to say that you can't fix stupid. That and a lack of responsibility. And some folks think if they take precautions it shows weakness. Unfortunately you can't just wish this virus away.

While I have faith in Man kind, I do not have that much trust.

That's the way I feel. If I find an ad with what I want with a good price and close I'll jump on it. Earlier in the week I found 3 boxes of 38spl 137 gr FMJ for $70, $23.34 per box, 0.934 per round. It's hard to reload for less than 0.10 each unless you cast. I asked what else he had to sell. 1,000 rds of 308/7.62X51 for 0.80 each. 200 308 and 800 7.62X51, would like to sell it as a whole or split the 2. I found buyers for both.

What we're seeing now is the result of Thanksgiving. Christmas and New Years are almost upon us. I wouldn't be at all surprised if most of this country, including us, was back in total lock down around mid-January.

haha... maybe because it is not a mustang. Does anyone know why they had an obsession to name it the "mustang"? Bring back another retired model name - or come up with something new. It is probably a great product. I would probably consider purchasing Ford's new 4-door electric sports sedan, but I wouldn't buy a "mustang" that has absolutely nothing to do with the lineage or name of the Ford mustang.

I'm a bit conflicted on this personally. It seems even the states with fairly strict COVID restrictions are still seeing huge increases in new cases. From a policy standpoint, what should he do? I've just not seen proof more restrictions would work. You can pass a mask mandate but I don't see that doing much good unless it's enforced. We have a mask mandate here in Knoxville and I'd say only 60% of people are wearing one, let alone wearing one correctly.

Alton Brown...woohoo

I pretty much agree with what you wrote. I think that the political forum should be kept for those who wish to participate. I stay out of it by my choice and I like it that way. What bothers the crap out of me is when certain members want to inject their political comments into other topics. The latest example is in the SARS-COVID thread. If a member wants to repeatedly bash the president for real or imagined affronts to their delicate senses then do it in the political forum where it belongs. I don't want to see it any more than I would want to see a naked 100-year old.

Feeling better this evening

https://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/prosecutor-gardner-kicked-off-mark-mccloskey-case/386867 Prosecutor Gardner Kicked Off Mark McCloskey Case December 15, 2020 By Mark Chesnut We’ve reported for months how George Soros-funded St. Louis Circuit Prosecutor Kim Gardner wrongfully prosecuted St. Louis attorneys Mark and Patricia McCloskey for political purposes rather than in the name of law and order. Now, months after the incident where the McCloskeys protected their property from a large mob loudly marching down the private sidewalk of their home, a judge has kicked her and her staff off Mark McCloskey’s case. Thomas Clark II, the St. Louis circuit judge hearing the case, dismissed Gardner, citing two campaign fundraising emails around the time she filed felony gun charges against the couple in July. “In short, the Circuit Attorney’s conduct raises the appearance that she initiated a criminal prosecution for political purposes,” Clark wrote. The dismissal brought a quick response from one of the couple’s attorneys, Al Watkins. “Prosecutors are held to a higher standard legally, ethically and politically,” Watkins said in a text reported in The Washington Times. “When you swing and miss on all three, you have to hit the lockers.” The dismissal of Gardner from the case was a long time in coming. Not only was the prosecution always about a liberal, anti-gun prosecutor trying to make an example of the McCloskeys, Gardner’s malfeasance concerning in case from the very beginning has been noteworthy. As Judge Clark mentioned, in early August, Gardner used the case in a fund-raising effort to raise money for her reelection campaign. According to court records, the fundraising email to Gardner supporters read, “You might be familiar with the story of the couple who brandished guns during a peaceful protest outside their mansion. In the last 24 hours, there has been a lot of national attention surrounding Kim’s decision to press charges against a couple that brandished guns at a peaceful Black Lives Matter protest.” The email then prompted supporters to “rush a donation today” to signal their support for her in the case. At the time, Joel Schwartz, attorney for the couple, wrote in a court motion: “Ms. Gardner, via her campaign mailers, linked the criminal proceedings against [the McCloskeys] to her personal, financial and political interests. The standard for disqualification of a prosecutor is the same as that for a judge. A prosecutor (and a prosecutor’s office as a whole when appropriate), should be disqualified where a reasonable person would have factual grounds to find an appearance of impropriety.” Not long after that, a group of 16 congressmen signed on to a letter to U.S. Attorney General William Barr asking that Gardner be removed from the politically motivated case. “Our constitution is clear, ‘… the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed,’” the letter said. “The state of Missouri goes even further and gives, ‘… the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms, ammunition, and accessories typical to the normal function of such arms, in defense of his home, person, family and property …’ “Sadly, these God-given rights bestowed upon all citizens of the United States were trampled by the McCloskey’s very own local officials, who are responsible for upholding the law. This decision (to prosecute) is not only an abuse of power, it is reckless assault on all citizens’ right to bear arms.” While the dismissal is a positive step forward, it currently only applies to the case against Mark McCloskey, not his wife Patricia’s case. Attorneys are likely to ask the court to apply the ruling to her case also sometime soon.

Thanks, but I am OK on primers.

The filthy masks, bandanas, & various other face covering I see people wearing are akin to using paper towels to stop bullets. They're constantly pulling at them & putting their dirty hands near their eyes. If one is that scared of the kung flu, one should stay home & wait till tptb give them permission to venture out.

What are you talking about? Conservatives & Patriots have always thought the atf should be abolished. What's defending cops? Do you mean defund cops? That'll work out real well...

Far as I know, they still own the Pinto and Maverick names.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/12/20/exclusive-rand-paul-masks-are-all-about-submission/ Quick read here. And while I disagree with Senator Paul that the whole mask thing is about submission, I do agree with him that wearing cloth masks is next to pointless.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449 Cloth and surgical masks are NOT going to keep you or me from catching the virus. M95 masks might if they are properly fitted and worn. What a cloth or surgical mask will do is to prevent a person already infected with the disease from transmitting quite as many disease-bearing particles in the air when that person sneezes, coughs, shouts, sings, etc. If you read the article linked above you'll note that the masks are recommended along with social distancing and other hygiene measures.

Really bad reviews. I have a Walther P-22 and a Walther PPQ-22. Both are very reliable but my favorite is the PPQ.

This is so far over this old country boys head.

Its the old bait and switch. Tell the customer one price and then charge them much more. That is illegal. Then there's the question of cancelling existing orders just to raise the price on future orders to resell the same stock. If that ain't illegal, it sure aughta be.

If the Sig appeals to you because of the size - they other competitor in that size at that price point is the Walther P22. The first generation of those pistols suffered from similar issues - but I hear the newer ones have addressed the issues pretty well. Personally, for .22LR pistols, I’m pretty far down the rabbit hole with customized Ruger Mark series pistols. When I introduce someone to shooting and bring out all my .22LR pistols - they almost always end up purchasing a Ruger for themselves. That said, were I looking for an off the shelf .22LR pistol that would be okay in small hands, I’d probably go with an M&P22 compact. With that, you’re picking up a full 6061 milled slide with the same ergonomics as its big brothers in the series. No .22LR pistol is 100% trust your life to it reliable - that’s just a function of the round. But the M&P is probably the most reliable in the class.

Check out the Taurus TX22! They get rave reviews! And they come with 16 round mags. Made in the USA too!

My sons and I met up at Sardis lower lake last Wednesday for some kayak crappie fishing. Paddled out to find 12 foot of water and dropped a jig to the bottom. Slow paddle backwards, let the line come up them fall straight down. As the jig was coming off the bottom that's when we would get a strike. We got our limits of 15 in 3 hours.

While I do find them intriguing, I have no reason to put that sort of money into a vehicle, unless it is an investment grade antique. I’ll wait for you guys to wear them out. Then I might pick one up.

One of the ways the democrats are attacking the 2nd Amendment is essentially making it a crime to protect yourself with a firearm without having the specific legislation in place to do so. We can look at Great Britain for a recent example of what can happen. Pass some sweeping gun control legislation and make it a crime to use a firearm for self defense. Then a Gov't is good to go. On a side note I think the case does show how an AR15 commands a certain level of respect. A M1A with a 20 round mag would have made a similar statement while a five shot revolver would not have. This self defense case IMO strongly shows that semi auto weapons are paramount for civilian personal defense use under the 2nd.

I hope David or none of the administrators or mods take this the wrong way; I’m not questioning anyone’s authority or trying to tell anyone how to do anything. I truly enjoy this forum and have been here since the beginning. Yes, I’ve had my bumps in the road and have had to adjust a few times. I am a former cop and I really have to watch what I say on that subject. I am involved in the day to day guns topics, and I have shared my experiences and tried to help others with their gun issues when I can. But many of us involved with firearms and firearms collecting take politics and freedoms as seriously as we take our 2nd amendment issues. When the politics forum was shut down for awhile I had to go to other forums if I wanted to discuss those issues. I would have rather done that right here with local people that I have come to know. I suspect participation here dropped off, but that’s just a guess; I don’t know that. It doesn’t appear to me we have the participation now we had a few years ago. I think many here, like me right now, many be hesitant to speak out on this issue. The “I don’t like the politics section” folks speak out more than we do; but I think they are a very small minority. But our country is sharply divided, more so than I have ever seen it, right down the middle. It’s on our minds everyday and we want to discuss it. I just don’t understand why they complain. The political discussions feeds aren’t even shown in the “Unread Topics”. We are isolated. So if someone is in one of those threads; they had to seek them out intentionally. I don’t get it… if you are going to get upset and disturbed talking about Trump… don’t click on that thread. If you are upset with me because I support him; we are half the population. Discussion, debate, or argument; its just information, do with it what you will. Again…I feel like I’m walking on thin ice here; but I believe most folks here would rather have their discussions here; whether that be about their latest gun acquisition or the current state of politics. Thanks, Dave

Yeah I didn't really think I needed to qualify that but maybe so.... If you put a 16" upper on your SBR lower then you can take it out of state with no 5320.20 form. But you cannot also take the SBR upper along with you too. That would be what they refer to as "constructive possession" - assuming that because you have the sbr upper you are going to assemble the rifle with it. Now there are some murky legal waters in regards to that and Thompson Center won a case against ATF on that but the smart thing to do if travelling outside the state is to either file a 5320.20 form or put a 16" upper on it and leave the SBR upper at home.

*** I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. This is not legal advice. Seek reputable legal counsel. *** I think it is important to ask yourself why the ATF would be willing to offer you the ability to register your pistol under the NFA as a Short Barrel Rifle (SBR), at no cost to you, when they normally charge registrants $200 per item. On the surface one can assume that they are doing this to throw gun owners a bone since pistol braces have been legal to own and use forever, up until whatever they have in mind for changes to current firearms law. One can assume good intentions and assume that the ATF feels slightly guilty about the fact that they have enabled... nay, encouraged consumers to buy pistol braces either to address their own physical limitations or for other reasons. I tend not to assume the good intentions of bureaucrats, bureaucracies or governments simply because they have never proven themselves to be trustworthy, benevolent, or good stewards of the money and power imbued to them. I mean... there is literally history behind this skepticism. A lot of history, documented in countless books and tomes, showing how the government can, will, and has destroyed, maimed, deprived, withheld from, and killed the citizens who put said-government in power. So let's assume that something else is motivating this apparent act of generosity. What are some possible negatives to registering your pistol as a Short Barrel Rifle under the NFA? 1. Your rifle becomes registered. You may say, "Well they already know that I've bought this gun, or other guns, anyway - so I am already on their list." But, are you? The ATF is not supposed to have copies of the Form 4473 that you filled out at the gun shop unless that gun shop has gone out of business and, per law, surrendered their 4473s to the ATF to be stored in a warehouse. But how much of that do you really trust? Consider as well that the government has proven repeatedly that it can back-track a firearm to the original individual who purchased it, but working forward from the manufacturer who recorded the serial number, to the distributor who wholesaled it, to the shop they sold it to, to the person who bought it from the shop. So, yes, a paper trail exists and it isn't hard for the government to use it. Also, bear in mind that this only covers the first purchaser of a firearm. Which brings me to my second point. 2. It now becomes illegal to transfer your rifle to anyone else in a private sale unless they buy a Tax Stamp ($200) and pass a background check, get fingerprinted or file as a trust, corporation or other legal entity, wait a year or so, and then transfer the firearm to themselves legally. The secondary market appeals to people who value their privacy and their inherent, creator-given right to life and and a means to defend it. Secondary sales aren't the domain of criminals. Goodbye, legal private party sales of your private property without going through an FFL and all of the other rigmarole. It also becomes illegal for anyone other than yourself to be in possession of the firearm without you present, unless the firearm is owned by a Trust (or corporation or other legal entity) of which they are a trustee or officer. For NFA items registered solely to an individual, this gets tricky if you... say... are married and leave the NFA item behind while you travel for work, or commute to work, or go get groceries, or end up in the hospital, etc. and your spouse, children or other family have what the ATF would consider to be reasonably easy access to that item in your absence. If they know the combination of the gun safe, or have access to the combination or key, or wherever you've stashed it... they could be guilty of a crime also and be sentenced to prison for it. Along with you. 3, It now becomes subject to more stringent local laws. Some states don't allow you to possess an NFA item within their confines. You can't travel to or through some states, easily, with an NFA item. This alone is one reason why braces on AR pistols have become popular. People like being able to travel without having to show ze papers. 4. It becomes difficult to enable inheritance of your pistol if they are registered as an NFA item. Trusts make this slightly easier, but many have term limits, or limits on the number of times trustees can be added, or who can add trustees, etc. Without being on a trust, your spouse, partner, children, other family have to apply for new tax stamps and pass background checks for anything that you leave to them and buy the $200 tax stamp. Some states and some trusts are designed to only allow them to endure for a certain number of years. At the end of their term, whoever the trustees are have to... you guessed it... pass background checks, buy tax stamps, etc. regardless of whether the NFA items go to them or if they are going back into a NEW trust. It's the most ridiculous form of taxation imaginable. 5, Registration facilitates confiscation. End of story. If they can track it to you, they can make you forfeit it or tell them who you sold/transferred it to and then go make them forfeit it. Forfeiture includes destruction, for the sake of brevity. Regardless, they don't call them paper trails for nothing. I am sure I am forgetting some other negatives. I'll add them as I think of them or as others point them out.

Absolutely. But it is the end of his term. We are about to get exactly what you claim the American people voted for. As both parties have said “Elections have consequences”. But I’ve accepted it Erik. Exactly as I said when folks were whining about things Obama did prior to Trump being elected; Obama became irrelevant the day he left office and everything was on Trump. Your boy Joe is in control the day he takes office. What he does with the Economy, Jobs, Business, Covid and Guns is on him. If he does great things; I’ll be the first to admit it. I’ll hurry up and wait right here.

I use Excel also. Make, model, S/N caliber, accessories, and my best guess at value. I have a good catalogue in my head, but the spreadsheet is for my wife if she ever finds herself dealing with that stuff without me.

Maybe we should start cataloging the boat accident locations... lol

Lots of fluids, eat what you can, rest as much as you can, praying for the best.

I'm not an attorney but I've been an NFA collector since 1994. An SBR by definition has barrel shorter than 16". If your receiver no longer has a shorter than 16" barrel on it then by definition it is not an SBR and is treated as a rifle not as a "short barrel rifle" as long as the longer barrel is on it. So if you wanted to take your "SBR registered" AR lower with a sub 16" barrel out of state you have to file an ATF Form 5320.20 . But if you take off the sub 16" barrel upper and install a 16" barrel upper it no longer is by definition an SBR and no Form 5320.20 is necessary. It is still listed in the registry as an SBR but the actual configuration is NOT an SBR so SBR rules do not apply as long as it does not have a barrel shorter than 16" on it. It is not the same as a machinegun where if it was "once a machine gun always a machine gun". So while you cannot do anything to a machine gun to change its status (other than destroy it) you can install a barrel longer than 16" on your SBR lower and it no longer meets the definition so travel without filing a form is OK. At least that is how I understand it.