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They can have my grill when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

Since the initial fee is $115 and renewals are only $50 every 5 years, that would be a sweet deal if you got your permit at 21 and lived until you were at least 89.5...then you'd break even.   Edit:  89.5 years old to break even.

I thought forums like this were for gun friendly social networking.

I'm not as kind as you, HP. I'm just waiting for all the Glockaholics to lose their minds and sell their Shields stoopid cheap so I can pick up a few more. It seems Shields are just about selling for new money on the used market now. I'm looking forward to picking some up maybe around the $275 mark.

there's only one way to fix this problem, we need to ban teenagers.

Theater Seats for Seniors > An old man lay sprawled across three entire seats in the movie theater. > When the usher came by and noticed this, he whispered to the old man, > "Sorry sir, but you're only allowed one seat." > The old man didn't budge. > The usher became more impatient. > "Sir, if you don't get up from there I'm going to have to call the > manager." > Once again, the old man just muttered and did nothing. > The usher marched briskly back up the aisle, and in a moment he > returned with the manager. > Together the two of them tried repeatedly to move the old disheveled > man, but with no success. > Finally they summoned the police. The officer surveyed the situation > briefly then asked, "All right buddy what's your name?" > "Fred," the old man moaned. > "Where you from, Fred?" asked the police officer. > With a terrible grunt in his voice, and without moving, Fred replied... > ... "The balcony." > >> >> An elderly gentleman... >> Had serious hearing problems for a number of years. He went to the >> doctor and the doctor was able to have him fitted for a set of >> hearing aids that allowed the gentleman to hear 100% The elderly >> gentleman went back in a month to the doctor and the doctor said, >> 'Your hearing is  perfect.. Your family must be really pleased that >> you can hear again.' >> The gentleman replied, 'Oh, I haven't told my family yet. >> I just sit around and listen to the conversations. I've changed my >> will three times!' >> >> >> >> >> Two elderly gentlemen from a retirement center were sitting on a >> bench under a tree when one turns to the other and says: 'Slim, I'm >> 83 years old now and I'm just full of aches and pains. I know you're about my age. >> How do you feel?' >> Slim says, 'I feel just like a newborn baby.' >> 'Really!? Like a newborn baby!?' >> 'Yep. No hair, no teeth, and I think I just wet my pants.' >> >> >> >> >> An elderly couple had dinner at another couple's house, and after >> eating, the wives left the table and went into the kitchen. >> The two gentlemen were talking, and one said, 'Last night we went out >> to a  new restaurant and it was really great... I would recommend it >> very highly.' >> The other man said, 'What is the name of the restaurant?' >> The first man thought and thought and finally said,  'What is the >> name of that flower you give to someone you love? >> You know... The one that's red and has thorns.' >> 'Do you mean a rose?' >> 'Yes, that's the one,'  replied the man. He then turned towards the >> kitchen and yelled, 'Rose, what's the name of that restaurant we went >> to last night?' >> >> >> >> Hospital regulations require a wheel chair for patients being discharged. >> However, while working as a student nurse, I found one elderly >> gentleman already dressed and sitting on the bed with a suitcase at >> his feet, who insisted he didn't need my help to leave the hospital. >> After a chat about rules being rules, he reluctantly let me wheel him >> to the elevator. >> On the way down I asked him if his wife was meeting him. >> 'I don't know,' he said. 'She's still upstairs in the bathroom >> changing out of her hospital gown.' >> >> >> >> >> Couple in their nineties are both having problems remembering things. >> During a checkup, the doctor tells them that they're physically okay, >> but they might want to start writing things down to help them >> remember… Later that night, while watching TV, the old man gets up from his chair. >> 'Want anything while I'm in the kitchen?' he asks. >> 'Will you get me a bowl of ice cream?' >> 'Sure..' >> 'Don't you think you should write it down so you can remember it?' >> she asks. >> 'No, I can remember it.' >> 'Well, I'd like some strawberries on top, too. Maybe you should write >> it down, so as not to forget it?' >> He says, 'I can remember that. You want a bowl of ice cream with >> strawberries.' >> 'I'd also like whipped cream. I'm certain you'll forget that, write >> it down?' she asks. >> Irritated, he says, 'I don't need to write it down, I can remember it! >> Ice cream with strawberries and whipped cream - I got it, for >> goodness sake!' >> Then he toddles into the kitchen. After about 20 minutes, The old man >> returns from the kitchen and hands his wife a plate of bacon and eggs.. >> She stares at the plate for a moment. >> 'Where's my toast ?' >> >> >> >> >> A senior citizen said to his eighty-year old buddy: >> 'So I hear you're getting married?' >> 'Yep!' >> 'Do I know her?' >> 'Nope!' >> 'This  woman, is she good looking?' >> 'Not really.' >> 'Is she a good cook?' >> 'Naw, she can't cook too well.' >> 'Does she have lots of money?' >> 'Nope! Poor as a church mouse.' >> 'Well, then, is she good in bed?' >> 'I don't know.' >> 'Why in the world do you want to marry her then?' >> 'Because she can still drive!' >> >> >> >> >> Three old guys are out walking. >> First one says, 'Windy, isn't it?' >> Second one says, 'No, it's Thursday!' >> Third one says, 'So am I. Let's go get a beer..' >> >> >> >> >> A man was telling his neighbor, 'I just bought a new hearing aid. It >> cost me four thousand dollars, but it's state of the art.. It's perfect.' >> 'Really,' answered the neighbor . 'What kind is  it?' >> 'Twelve thirty..' >> >> >> >> >> Morris, an 82 year-old man, went to the doctor to get a physical. >> A few days later, the doctor saw Morris walking down the street with >> a gorgeous young woman on his arm. >> A couple of days later, the doctor spoke to Morris and said, 'You're >> really doing great, aren't you?' >> Morris replied, 'Just doing what you said, Doc: 'Get a hot mamma and >> be cheerful.'' >> The doctor said, 'I didn't say that.. I said, 'You've got a heart >> murmur; be careful.' >> >> >> >> >> And One more..! >> >> >> A little old man shuffled slowly into  an ice cream parlor and pulled >> himself slowly, painfully, up onto a stool… After catching his >> breath, he ordered a banana split. >> The waitress asked kindly, 'Crushed nuts?' >> 'No,' he replied, 'Arthritis.'

i don't want to be shot with a BB gun.

  This is TNDOS red headed stepchild division,  man. They just replaced their abaci a few years ago.   - OS

Somebody gotta be Otis.

every time I have purchased a firearm they FFL has told the TBI the serial number as well as all my information, including my SSN. Now whether they keep it and pass it along I do not know but if I were a betting person I would bet there is a massive excel file owned by the .gov with all that information.

My 4 yr old already has a airsoft gun (plastic bbs) and he already knows you NEVER point it at a PERSON, and it stays locked in my gun safe until WE go shoot it.

OK, I might be reading this wrong, and if I am I apologize, but I think what everyone is saying is GET OFF MY FAT BUTT AND BUY YOURSELF A GUN BELT STUPID. lol So after some research and my personal taste I ordered this  http://www.thebeltman.net/horse4lg.htm

Interesting. Would make for a very good story. The Walking Dead.....starring......all the participants of this thread.

I can't wait for mine!

I would go M&P out of those. If you want capacity I'd go with the full size. If you want light carry I would go with the shield. I once owned a 9C and while it was a fine gun I just didn't really take to it. Also APEX makes some fine trigger kits for them.   I however carry a Glock 19 and love it.

If it was about convenience, they would simply allow HCP renewals to be conducted online like they do with drivers licenses.  This is all so they can say Tennessee has a "lifetime permit system in place."  It's a rip off from a money standpoint, and it's an insult from a handgun owners standpoint. 

Meh, I don't like gas anyway CHARCOAL FOR LIFE lol. Seriously I had a gas grill for one summer, gave it to my brother and went back to charcoal. That said this is a stupid waste of our tax money!!!!

Some here remember the fight we had over the State income tax.  It tool a lot of people, but we got it done.  These issues are won on a face to face level INSIDE Legislative Plaza.  If you you want to make a difference, you will have to show up. As long as they can count on the media to take their part and advocates do not show the numbers needed to push an issue, they win, every time.  There were 565,646 hunting license purchased last year, and 480,000 plus handgun carry permits.  There is some overlap, but folks, that is a big enough number to make them sit up and listen.  If we got 20,000 at LP on "Gun Bill Day", I bet that would make a HUGE difference.

Gee guys you have to have this all wrong. Haslam is a Republican. I have been told for the last 12 years that I can guarantee my right to keep my guns by voting for all Republicans. Don't check up on them, just follow the party line and vote for all Republicans and the problem is solved. Knowing that this is the word of the almighty (my preacher told me the same thing!) you must have it all wrong.   WAKE UP! The battle for our guns is to check out every candidate and to keep the thumb on them while in office. Both parties will hurt us in a heartbeat, as soon as they can get more power by taking our guns!

You own guns and your bored :cool:?  Wow.....GO SHOOT'N..!!!! LOL

There needs to be change. The wagons are circled and we are considered the Indians. They need to be reminded of where their support comes from next election.

I just shot off some .45, .223 and 9mm Perfecta and it was total crap  :puke: :puke: :puke: I suggest you guys don't buy any more, it's just plain old junk. Half of it I had to pull the trigger twice, and the other felt like it was going to blow my gun up.  :dunno:

Good ones, let me leave this one. 4 old retired guys were out driving and saw a sign for a pub so they stopped and went in. There was a sign over the bar ALL DRINKS 10 cents. So they all ordered a martini and the bartender said that will be 40 cents, well the martini's were great shaken and not stirred so they ordered another round. The bartender came back and said 40 cents gents. 1 of the guys said man how in the world do you stay in business selling drinks for 10 cents? The bartender said well about 3 years ago I won the lottery for 125 million I always wanted my own bar so I set the price for all drinks wine, beer, whiskey at 10 cents. Well there was about 7 or 8 people sitting at the other end of the bar but not a single glass in front of them and 1 of the guys says hey what is the deal with those folks not drinking? The bartender replied oh they are all from Florida and they are waiting for happy hour when the drinks are half priced plus they have coupons!!

We used to have bb gun wars all the time growing up, but there are pellet guns cheaply available today that have a similar performance of a rimfire rifle. They were available then too and a few of us had one, but they weren't allowed in the fights. I do recall a few years after high school hearing that one of my former classmates had shot another in the top of his foot with a heavy duty air rifle and that the other kid was walking with a cane for some years after.    It's a shame that it only takes a few instances like this and before you know it air guns will have the same stigma as real guns in the anti crowd.

I was always taught don't point ANY gun at anything you don't plan to kill, and the first lesson that was taught to me about was my first BB/pellet gun.

Bad news there. Reminds me of the BB guns wars we had when I was a kid. No pellets allowed and only 1 pump on rifles. It's amazing no one got hurt.

Justified !

I agree with Oh Shoot!  Bet'cha he is Lamar's heir apparent!

Anyone read Watership Down?  The animated movie was good, but not as good as the book.  For those of you who don't know, the story follows a group of rabbits who have to leave their home shortly before it is destroyed, and then they wander the countryside looking for a new home.  Along the way, they encounter different rabbit groups that reflect different ways that humans have governed themselves.   Their original group had a definite hierarchy, with a police force and a chief, but they were relatively free.  The last group they meet is intensely controlled by a militaristic dictator rabbit, with very little freedom.  In between, they meet a warren of fat, happy rabbits who have a man-made, spacious warren free from predators (called The Warren of the Snares).  Except the rabbits don't talk about the ones who go missing; they just accept that anyone of them might die one day and they don't dwell on it.  (A farmer was providing food for the rabbits and trapping them every now and then).  If the Governor is analogous to General Woundwort, the dictator rabbit, then the Alexandria Safe-Zone may be the Warren of the Snares.  They all are happy and their comforts are provided for, but when someone gets taken by Walkers, they seem like, "Oh, well.  That's life."     I'm not actually saying that The Walking Dead is using Watership Down as source material, but there are some similarities.  That is the type of  literature analysis that I would come up with for my high school and college English classes.  It always sounded like BS to me, but I could string together stuff in a way that made really good BS, or at least the teachers believed it.

  I never get watered down moonshine from Cocke County. You must be shopping on the wrong mountain :)

Picked up some hotter ammo for self defense. These I've seen crono close to 2,100 ft per second out of a 5.7x28 pistol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Folks.... There's a lot of baloney, hype, failure stories, invocation of "expert' opinions and test results, along with a healthy dose of fanboy stuff RE the smaller calibers on most every gun forum... The one thing i've always noticed in all of them is that there is no one who wants to volunteer to demonstrate the "failure" of "small caliber" handgun cartridges by offerin to be shot with one... I wonder why that is...?   I bet most any bullet works good in a 380 if it's loaded up a bit (...1000 fps or so...); and fired in a good, strong pistola by a competent shooter... Whatta ya think...?   observin leroy

      I disagree.  I was taught that an airgun was to be treated with the same respect as a "real gun" I was trained using an air rifle on how to shoot and how to safely handle a weapon.  But, I had an upbringing in which I was also taught the value of life and treating other life, both two legged and four, as I wanted to be treated.  That didn't include shooting at animals just to see them get shot or shooting people that didn't have the same skin color as myself as a past time.    

I don't see this is a big win.  The potential savings are nominal at best.  I guess that you would be paying for the convenience of not having to renew.  Not my cup of tea, I'd rather buy more guns.  Although it is my belief that I shouldn't have to pay for a carry permit it is what it is and $10 a year after the initial $115 just isn't worth arguing over, spend that energy trying to change issues that really matter.  

Agreed.  This isn't going to do much for you and me - or any of us for that matter.   And what kid who's just getting their permit has either the foresight or the $750 to take advantage of this?

Good pick for the first one...of probably several to come. lol

    If you're on a computer, click on the pics.  They should open in another window in photobucket.  With your cursor on the pic, icons should appear in the top right.  The magnifying glass will reload the full size image in the browser, the gear lets you download the full size image so you can open it in your photo viewer of choice. 

sorry i offend all you guys...........LOL

  I still have 4-5 that you gave me years ago. I honestly forgot I had any left until I came across them the other day.   I'll be sure to put them to good use. I have several wasps nests around the house. :)

  Doug, that is wonderful. With your permission, I'll pass those words along to others.   I do not however, promise not to claim them as my own. lol

  The fact is the people who need the training most are likely the people who will find the cheapest course offered that meets the requires.  The fact is people who are most likely to take the full blown course would have taken the full blown course required or not.  When I decided that firing a gun looked like fun watching some TV show the first thing I did was sign up for an optional course to make sure I didn't shot myself in the foot or someone else.  Was I required to no.  Did I take a course yes.  I think those required course if anything have the opposite effect when I got my Utah out of state permit I attended a basic class that covered just what had to be covered.  What It covered things like were you couldn't carry and that you should check the local laws of your state.  A lot of "common sense stuff".  The only interesting stuff was about carrying but that was done after getting all the state wide stuff done and there was still some time left before the min hours were meet.  Did that class really make anyone safer when they are caring not really.   Thanks Robert

Looks good but free don't make it right. I get very particular about my guns and even things that I, or anyone else, can't see bother me if I know it is there. And if I hire someone to do something it better be exactly what was promised. A misplaced port would infuriate me and would garner a new barrel at a minimum. I have seen a lot of screw ups by shops and the vast majority do exactly what they did here, not charge. But what exactly are they giving you for nothing. A screwed up gun that was t screwed up when they started. Nothing against you but I would never accept something that someone else screwed up.

I love the "sporting purposes" title they use. :down: The second amendment had nothing to do with sporting and hunting and this title should not be used in determining 2A rights.

 i have gotten many kel tec pistols over the years.  only one i got new.  i love buying used guns for a cheap price.   never had a problem asking for repair parts,  call them, tell them the part number, and part is in the mail free.  when they changed to the the original purchaser i am still able to get free parts on a phone call.   when they started this original purchaser thing i had to send in a pf9 barrel and slide.  they replaced them and all i had to do was to pay shipping to them.  same thing when i had to send in a p3at frame/grip combo that the original purchaser jacked up the install of the belt clip.  i don;t know how many rounds a kel tec gun will last. but i have shot many in them. no they are not like shooting my  glocks, but still fun to shoot.  but for the money they are a good value.  

here is one that wont vote for him dog catcher

He's not a Leopard so of course he can change his spots according to what is needed to accomplish the goal he was seeking. I thought every politician did that. It's just like to Fork Tongue dialog and the Speaks out both sides of their mouth depending on who they are speaking to................jmho

We have a 238...doesn't like some types of ammo.  It likes ball ammo and Corbon hollow points with Barnes copper bullets.  Small, solid, like a little 1911.  I've tried Kahrs in 9mm and found them to be outstanding guns...some have said they like their 380's and that should be a very solid recommendation too.  My wife likes the 238 because she can rack the slide...most of them she can't.  So, try several and see what fits best.  Best wishes, B

This whole "empty chamber carry" thing usually done by someone who is more afraid of the gun they carry than they are of the bad guys. And that is to some degree the fault of all the "you are more likely to be killed by a gun if you have one in the home " crowd. The average person (especially those in urban areas) knows little about guns other than what they see and hear on TV.  So people who know LITTLE about guns and even LESS about how fast REAL street crime happens decide they want to get a HCP but they are so afraid that the gun might "go off" they carry with an empty chamber.   My question is do they only load 5 rounds in their six shot double action  revolver so they have to pull the trigger TWICE to get it to go off? It is NOT logical. Ask any of the empty chamber carriers WHY they do it and the answer is EMOTIONAL....NOT logical. I've been working a full time job in the shooting industry for over 15 years and been teaching HCP classes the same amount of time and working as a travelling instructor, attending and presenting at some of the biggest conferences in the country for the last 8 years....and in ALL that time and travel I have yet to meet a SINGLE SERIOUS GUN CARRIER who carries with an empty chamber. And there is a reason for that. The people who KNOW how fast things can go from "hey man, do you have a cigarette" to "give up yo' wallet Mother F-er" know that empty chamber carry is stupid practice that can get you killed.   Now for those of you who say "well that is how we carried them in the army back in the day " ....maybe so...but that doesn't in ANY way mean that was the best practice...it just means the army doctrine for carrying a 1911 was "officially" to carry with an empty chamber for safety. I then ask those guys how much pistol training did you get AFTER you did BASIC? Any ? No? Unless you were in a VERY specialized unit, or were an MP you didn'ty carry loaded pistols in any kind of capacity on a regular basis....so people take that to mean that "if the army did it that way it was right". No...if the army did it, it was for a reason and that reason is RARELY because it is the best practice for FIGHTING. It is simply an effort  to keep UNTRAINED personnel from shooting themselves and others accidentally because they cannot grasp the concept of not using the trigger as a place to rest their finger .  Once those same people deployed to a combat zone the general practice was to say "to hell with the regulations" and carry it loaded and the safety on when outside the wire.....why? Because racking the slide took too long to bring the weapon into a usable condition.   In my "day job" I sell holsters and ammo and all manner of other accessories. I had an old guy (clearly in his 60s or 70s) call about a "defective" Galco Miami Classic shoulder holster for his "old military .45". He said it would not "fit". He said the thumb snap would not snap. I finally figured out WHY and asked him ...Sir, are you trying to holster that pistol with the hammer down or with it cocked? He said "What kind of idiot carries it cocked?" I asked if he had a round in the chamber and he again asked what kind of idiot carries that with a "bullet" in the chamber.....He informed me that he was a korean war vet and that "no one" carries a round in the chamber. I told him that Glaco designs their 1911 holsters to be carried with the hammer cocked, round chambered and safety on. THAT is why his gun would not fit.If the hammer was down the thumbsnap was not long enough to wrap around the hammer.... If he simply cocked the hammer it would fit..... He was dumbfounded because apparently since that is how the army did it (empty chamber) in 1950 that was the pinnacle of small arms TTPs....   Another pet peeve is the folks who simply parrot what other uninformed folks have told them about the Israelis carrying with an empty chamber and that they have some of the best counter terror folks in the world so if they do it then it must be OK.....well their CT units carry with loaded chambers...it is the " 2 year conscripts " that carry empty chamber and that started largely because in 1948 when Isreal became a country of their own for the first time since the late Old Testament times they had a hodge podge of foreign guns all with different features and different safety mechanisms. How to train people to use all this differnt stuff? Have them leave the safeties OFF and leave the chamber unloaded....that will work for EVERY TYPE of pistol no matter who made it or where and it is easier to have people do that than to invest the time into training them in good gunhandling practices......   So for all those carrying empty chamber....ask yourself this question.....how do guns go off? The trigger has to be pulled. So if we habituate ourselves to keeping our finger off the trigger until the muzzle is pointed at the target and we don't carelessly handle the pistol and when we are not handling it we have it in a holster that covers the trigger guard then it is nigh unto impossible for it to go off accidentally......AND it will work RIGHT NOW in an emergency situation when you pull it out without having to take the time to involve the other hand to make it functional. Carry how you want....but empty chamber carry is like emptying your car gas tank when you get where you are going so that the car doesn't catch on fire.....a ridiculous practice born of fear and emotion not education and logic.

Just an answer to the question:   Obama can use drones anytime he chooses to and he plays by no rules except his own.................jmho