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Today at my wife's work, a patron came in open carrying a firearm and they asked him to show them his carry permit. He told them that he forgot to bring it and they told him to leave. She told me that a law was passed this year that allows a business to ask a permit holder to show them their permit when they enter their establishment if they know or suspect they may be packing. I may be wrong in assuming this but I was under the impression that only LEOs can request a permit holder to show them their permit. I'm not familiar with businesses being able to do so. I know that a businesses can prohibit guns on their property with signage but if they allow firearms can they ask for proof?

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I surely don't know, but that is a good question to have answered.

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They can ask whatever they like; they don’t need a law to ask. And the HCP holder can either comply or refuse and leave. They don’t need to be posted to ask someone carrying a gun to leave. They just have to be properly posted for the holder to be cited.

In my opinion its better than posting. In checking, they found that the patron was not in compliance with the law; so he was carrying illegally.

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Link below says "Open carry is legal with a permit or without a permit if the gun is unloaded and the ammunition is not in the immediate vicinity. Tennessee prohibits the possession of a firearm “with the intent to go armed.” The minimum age is 18 years old. Some areas are off-limits, including government buildings and schools."Didn't know that. I need a refresher apparently.

usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/tn-gun-laws/

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6 hours ago, DaveTN said:

They can ask whatever they like; they don’t need a law to ask. And the HCP holder can either comply or refuse and leave. They don’t need to be posted to ask someone carrying a gun to leave. They just have to be properly posted for the holder to be cited.

In my opinion its better than posting. In checking, they found that the patron was not in compliance with the law; so he was carrying illegally.

I also thought if the patron was packing and didn't have his carry permit on his person he was packing illegally also. I always have my permit on me when ever I carry my firearm. My guess would be he didn't have a permit in the first placeand should not have been packing........JMHO

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On 8/10/2019 at 10:34 PM, lock n' load said:

Today at my wife's work, a patron came in open carrying a firearm and they asked him to show them his carry permit. He told them that he forgot to bring it and they told him to leave. She told me that a law was passed this year that allows a business to ask a permit holder to show them their permit when they enter their establishment if they know or suspect they may be packing. I may be wrong in assuming this but I was under the impression that only LEOs can request a permit holder to show them their permit. I'm not familiar with businesses being able to do so. I know that a businesses can prohibit guns on their property with signage but if they allow firearms can they ask for proof?

They're free to ask you anything, but you're under no obligation to show ID to anybody except the police if they ask to see your permit, or your drivers license while operating a motor vehicle.  They obviously can ask you to leave if you refuse.

Frankly I'm not going to show my ID to a store clerk for any reason, unless it's a gun store and I'm buying a firearm ;)  I'd be happy to confirm I have a permit and that it's on me, but no way I'm going to give out my personal information like that to a random stranger.

If they push back, I'd ask to speak the the manager and express the liability they excepting by requesting to see my personal information in relation to firearm ownership, ie identify theft, targeted theft of firearms, etc.

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On ‎8‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 7:34 AM, jhc77 said:

Link below says "Open carry is legal with a permit or without a permit if the gun is unloaded and the ammunition is not in the immediate vicinity. Tennessee prohibits the possession of a firearm “with the intent to go armed.” The minimum age is 18 years old. Some areas are off-limits, including government buildings and schools."Didn't know that. I need a refresher apparently.

usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/tn-gun-laws/

So according to that law a person can carry pistol on their person but not allowed to have it loaded or have the amunition on their person that fits the gun???? Ok so what is the sense in packing an empty gun around?? That is another one of those useless laws that cost the taxpayers to pay some politician to introduce which we all know had to come from the left. I guess if the gun is big enough you could use it for a club in a knife fight!!!!

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On 8/10/2019 at 11:34 PM, lock n' load said:

Today at my wife's work, a patron came in open carrying a firearm and they asked him to show them his carry permit. He told them that he forgot to bring it and they told him to leave. She told me that a law was passed this year that allows a business to ask a permit holder to show them their permit when they enter their establishment if they know or suspect they may be packing. I may be wrong in assuming this but I was under the impression that only LEOs can request a permit holder to show them their permit. I'm not familiar with businesses being able to do so. I know that a businesses can prohibit guns on their property with signage but if they allow firearms can they ask for proof?

I’m curious what type of business this is?

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