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I do remember it, but now only my wife uses it.

It is more than sad.  This story stinks to high heaven.  The victim after having a car crash banged on the door of a house nearby.  A woman answered the door, and then called the police because she thought the victim was a burglar.  Hmmm, never knew burglars knocked on doors, but okay.  After the police arrive the victim charges after three police officers?  BS.  Like I said, this story stinks.

When I started "hoarding" it was long before the shelves went bare, I am talking about years before any of us had even heard of Obama. I will not be made to feel guilty because I planned ahead and someone else didn't. I shoot regularly and often shoot a lot more than most because I did plan ahead. I don't shoot 22 as much as before but I shoot all my centerfires 10x as much as before. I have zero guilt when I go to the range and mag dump 400 rounds of ammo that most can't replace. And I do it because I have plenty and that is because I planned ahead.   What is wrong with buying from Walmart? That is where I get most of my ammo because their ammo is cheaper than anywhere else and because it can still be found on the shelves. I walked into Walmart yesterday and found more 223 than I could ever want if I didn't reload and it was a lot cheaper than the prices of resellers so why not buy from Walmart.    I have enough to likely last me at least a decade at my current rate of shooting because I did think ahead and just because someone has less ammo doesn't make me the bad person.   Sounds a lot like the story about the grasshopper and ants.

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Found this on Saiga 12 forum   Abu al-Zarqawi died, George Washington met him at the Pearly Gates. He slapped him across the face and yelled, "How dare you try to destroy the nation I helped conceive!" Patrick Henry approached, punched him in the nose and shouted, "You wanted to end our liberties but you failed!" James Madison followed, kicked him in the groin and said, "This is why I allowed our government to provide for the common defense!" Thomas Jefferson was next, beat al-Zarqawi with a long cane and snarled "It was Evil men like you who inspired me to write the Declaration of Independence." The beatings and thrashings continued as George Mason, James Monroe and 66 other early Americans unleashed their anger on the terrorist Leader. As al-Zarqawi lay bleeding and in pain, an Angel appeared. Al-Zarqawi wept and said, "This is not what you promised me." The Angel replied, "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you in Heaven. What did you think I said?"

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b88_1379231549   Didn't see that one coming

I watched all the first video and part of the second, what it boils down to is LEOs being asked to enforce a stores policy or request again.   If the business wanted them to leave they should have just told them to leave, if for whatever reason the business representative did not want to "confront" them and chose to call the police, the officers could have simply told the patrons to leave.  There was no reason to detain them or check IDs unless they were suspected of some crime, which I did not hear or see mentioned.

Criminals!!!

I've got 6 pack abs..... They are just way back in the fridge. 

My wife sees my recent searches. This is going to be hard to explain.. Anybody know a good lawyer?  Better call Saul!

You'll need a dremel tool and a great big pipe wrench to start with. :devil:

thanks Greg. I meant to hit the back button but instead added them to my wishlist! sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

Heck, I still cut myself from time to time.

I could be way off base here (not really), but it seems to me that if you are going to enforce the laws then perhaps you should know what the law is in the first place.  To make an arrest after you have been shown to be wrong isn't protecting and serving; it is just being a d***.

I don't believe we should be genetically modifying anything. Deer, corn or babies. Science is messing up a lot of good things. I can't help but feel that this is going to end poorly. Yup.

Spend the money with me, I have a few post holes that need digging.

Being in an accident like that can make you very unstable balance wise. This could have been the situation here and the victim could have stumbled in the officers direction which was mistaken for a "lunge". Sure is a sad story, whatever happened.

some of the comments here are near unbelievable.       There is absolutely no reason police could not have waited the old guy out.   If budget came into consideration then they need a better manager/chief.   There has not been a valid reason presented for the police doing what they did.      The old man was not a threat locked up in his bedroom.  Very likely demented and not knowing what was going on.  Class act by the police here.  I remember a time when police protected people.  Getting the old guy out alive should have been the priority not getting SWAT into his room at all cost.   I just don't get it.   There was no reason he could not have been waited out.

  Depends on the person. A lot of folks leave their rifles bone stock forever. I'm one of the biggest Magpul sluts in the world, but I ain't normal :)

  Just because you OC doesn't mean you are looking for a confrontation or showing off.   For the ZILLIONTH time your HCP info is NOT connected to your license plate.  When your license plate is checked the only information returned is the Name and Address of the registered owner (a check if it is stolen can be run with it also or separately).  Now, Yes, you can take the name and address information and run it to get the DL/HCP information of the Registered Owner who may or may not be the current driver of the vehicle.    What makes you think they didn't know the law in MO?  You can OC without a permit in MO.

while I too mostly carry concealed, I disagree thay open carry is asking for trouble. They weren't doing anything wrong or illegal. I think a more appropriate statement is the cop was looking for trouble. My dad was a LEO for thirty plus years and he always treated people with repect until he had a reason not to. sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

This case makes me glad I'm white and glad I'm not 5'6" and 175#, LOL. That means I don't have to carry the little man syndrome chip on my shoulder or the race card around in my wallet.

Ok , I had a buddy come by that is a swat officer here in gallatin. He has read every one of the posts plus read the articles posted with links. He said they had somewhat of a similar issue about a year ago when an 82 year old man barricaded himself in his home because his family wanted to move him from his home of 55 years into a nursing home. Not because he could not care for himself and he had 24 /7  paid sitters paid buy his insurance to come in and do for him. One day when the family arrived to move him from his home to the nursing home he showed them his gun and told him he was not going. They called the police and told them he threatened them with a gun. My buddies Swat team was called out along with a negotiator. The swat team got eyes in the house and saw the old man was armed with a 38 pistol and said he was not leaving his home. He actually fired off two rounds into the floor to get their attention that he would shoot. In the end the swat team got him to fire off his last 4 rounds by making noises under the floor which after that they made a quick entry into the house and room and took control of the issue with out killing the old gentleman. They brought him out with out even putting him in cuff's and took him to the police station. After an investigation it was exposed that the only reason the family wanted him placed in a nursing home was a large offer had been made on the old man's home and property and he turned it down and his two sons were do to get the house when he vacated it. The man was evaluated by a doctor and the doctor said that the old gentleman was not crazy and his health was good for his age and with the aid of the sitters he should have been able to remain in his home indefinitely or until his health worsened. Now after it was all said and done, because the old gentleman actually never pointed the gun at anyone including his two sons but just showed it to them and he never fired directly at any of the police officers or swat team the judge made a decision to dismiss all of the charges that had been made and sent the old man back home without his gun and he is still living in his home with his 24/7 sitters. Now with that said I realize that all cases are different but my buddy said that not being there it was hard for him to make a totally accurate decision but he said that someone in the upper level must have had plans and didn't have time to do his job and keep his plans and gave orders that should not have been given and he left it there.............. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Ya know, I'm not one for starting sh** with cops, but screw these guys. Legally carrying girls being interrogated for what? I guess if it wasn't for the idiot cop standing in the background WITH HIS LONG GUN AT THE READY, and the surly attitude of the cop I wouldn't really care about the cop checking on these ladies at the request of the management, but there is no rule against an officer being personable and polite. He handled that like these ladies were up to no good. He could have achieved the same results and answers by being a nice guy and making the exchange pleasant for all parties. I would have told this guy to cuff me or piss off.

Well, this will stop all those gangs who get lowers and build their own ARs for drive bys and stuff. I can totally see how this law would target criminals and not law abiding gun owners.

Age has nothing to do with it because a firearm was being used and the firearm is an equalizer. Being 107 doesn't make the gun any less lethal. I would be condemning the officers if the 107 year old man was trying to fight them using only his body strength but he was not, he was using a firearm that could have killed any of the officers that had a legal right to be there. Any firearm is capable of serious bodily injury or death regardless of the age of the shooter.   And in this situation SWAT was warranted because you have a criminal who had previously stated that officers would have to kill him. Then the criminal shot at the initial officer (not SWAT officers) who attemped to make contact. SWAT was called out AFTER the criminal shot at the officer (not SWAT) who tried to make first contact. When the criminal shot at the officer then it required SWAT to be called for everyone's safety. And SWAT is what should have been used because they are the best trained for situations like this. They are not trained to run in with guns a blazing. They generally have a lot more training on "no shoot" situations than most road officers.   In the end the officers had a legal right to be there. The homeowner did not have a legal right to shoot at them. And because of this the officers had every right, legally and morally, to stop the criminal's lethal assault on innocent people.   And one more thing for those who may not know. The reason why you do not wait a criminal out is because it allows them to barracade themselves, boobytrap the entrances and better arm themselves. Any one of these things makes it more dangerous for the officers. As long as entering doesn't place innocent people in danger it should happen as soon as and quickly as possible.

I cant believe what im readin here from some of ya.... If the police cant handle a 107 year old guy without an armed entry with a distraction blast, then shootin him; we are in deep trouble... This was poorly (...and tragically...) handled...   Folks are gonna have to quit carryin the water for these SWAT "dynamic entries" and come to the realization that there are some bad people wearin badges and guns; and some buffoons commanding them... This aint a dammed video game; its real life and a poor old out of his mind man is dead because of this nonsense...   At best, this is a terrible mistake... At worst it is a police commando murder...  God forbid these folks come and protect you, me or anybody else...   This is another Branch Dividian thing, abeit on a smaller scale.   It's capricious (...and most likely criminal...) use of deadly force to and military tactics to take out a crippled up, childish old man...  If the police cant handle poor, demented 107 year olds without killin 'em; you had better be afraid when they come to your house....   And, by the way, i aint a SWAT team member, nor do i play one in video games or on TV;  and (...thank God...) ive never made a police entry... That dont mean a dammed thing here... You need to think before ya kill people...Especially the oldest and youngest among us..   This is, in fact, a tragedy and most likely a crime to boot.... Havin said that, i'm willin to bet that someone will cover for this disgraceful act....   leroy

We camped out in the backyard last night. First campout for our kiddos. Baked beans over the fire, hot dogs, marshmallows, and hot chocolate. It was funtastic!

  Ask me how many times I've gone shooting in the past 10 months.  It's embarrassing!  I haven't shot a single round because I don't want to burn up ammo I can't easily replace.  :(

Sales tax only has to be paid once.  So long as you're paying tax when you buy this stuff to turn around and sell it again, you should not collect sales tax from the person buying it from you.   Sooner or later the BATFE is going to get involved in this practice and the rest of us are going to suffer as a result of it.  Currently buying a firearm to flip a firearm is illegal.  It's only a matter of time that they make it the same for ammo, and likely because of opportunistic weasels who are cleaning out retailers to sell it again at a mark-up.   Honestly, I think what you're doing is beyond unscrupulous.  People like you make it hard for others to buy ammo at realistic, fair-market prices, for the sake of protecting themselves or training regularly to be better at it.  You're not buying and selling a commodity, you're buying and selling a means of self defense at a marked-up price because you happen to be able to haunt the retail locations and clean them out while other people are attending to other things.  In this case I am torn between not wanting the government any more involved in Second Amendment issues than they already are, and wanting to see them clean your clock.   The road to hell is certainly paved with nickels and dimes.

LAMAR ALEXANDER (R-TN) -- Senator Alexander also voted to fund Obamacare earlier this year and he refuses to oppose funding for it now. What's Lamar Alexander telling voters in Tennessee? He's running a new campaign commercial that says he "led the conservative fight against Obamacare." This is the same Lamar Alexander who supported the individual mandate long before Obamacare was written. If anything, he helped pave the way for Obamacare. And if Senator Alexander truly opposed Obamacare today, he would be leading the fight to stop its funding before October 1st. These Obamacare Republicans can't defend their liberal position so they have decided to lie about it.

This is sad folks.   http://news.yahoo.com/ferrell-kerrick-police-unarmed-shooting-charlotte-191520307.html   DaveS

"Humanity"     The day was somewhat cloudy, raindrops began to coat the windshield on Jacks Toyota Tundra. He had just worked a thirteen hour shift and was exhausted from the day. His boss had jumped down his throat for the smallest foul up that he himself makes all the time. The only thing that takes the edge off is the cigarette that Jack smokes at his lunchtime, it mellows out his day to where he can handle his boss till the jerk leaves at five, it's smooth sailing from there. A sudden famaliar tone awoke Jack from his daze and brought him to. The emergency broadcast system went active, stating that 'martial law had been declared and for everyone to get in doors immediately and to lock themselves in.' Jack began to talk to himself, "Why the hell are they declaring marshall law? Guess the President has finally flipped his liberal lid..."   Hearing this kind of information immediately made Jack realize what needed to be done. He checked his cellular; the towers weren't shut down yet. He immediately called his father to check on him; the call went to voicemail. Jack thinks to himself, "it's alright, where they're at, the reception isn't that great", Jack keeps repeating those words over and over in his mind to provide a little comfort to himself. Next he calls a key member of his Mutual Assistance Group or MAG, Jeb. Jeb was a bit of gun nut, even when they were in high school together but overtime they both had grown to be more survival oriented. When Jack contacted him a few years back to catch up the topic of shooting came up so they hit it off. The two had a few drinks at Jebs whilst playing catch up when the topic of survival had been brought up and much to Jacks surprise Jeb had been stock piling food and was planning on purchasing a M35A2 deuce and a half in the near future. When the phone picked up an out of breath Jeb picked up the phone, "Jack, what the hell is going on man?"   Jack was hoping Jeb would fill HIM in but that wasn't the case as he learned, "I dunno brother but we need to mobilize the MAG, like right NOW! There's not major earth shattering events that I'm aware of and they've declared martial law without warning, can only mean one thing I THINK and that's..." Jeb cuts him off before he can finish, "containment... but what the @#$% are they containing??" Jack just as confused, "I dunno man but call up Tay, we need to get everyone and their gear to Romeo Hotel, like an hour ago!" Jeb knowing now what needed to be done, "you sure man? That's ALOT of gear to move in one haul and if this thing turns out to be nothing..." Jack knew where he was going, "Jeb, if this thing turns out to be as bad as we think it is, we'll be glad we got the F outta dodge! I'm going to go get my sisters, you get ahold of everyone you can, leave messages but we're not waiting for ANYONE, we meet in thirty minutes. I'll see you on the other side, stay safe brother!" Jeb, worried about how this would play out didn't let his nervousness through and confidently responded, "You too dude, I'll see you at the house in thirty." As Jack turned right onto Cedar he slowed down for a stoplight that immediately turned green for him, what he didn't see was the Dodge Ram that plowed into the passenger rear quarter side of his truck spinning it around like a dreidel at Hanukkah. All Jack can see is spinning lights then complete darkness consumes him...

  Isn't that the truth! :love:

I don't think you can build cheaper these days. You might get close with one of the kits, IF you already have the tools. I just finished two (one for a friend). Lowers are pretty easy. Uppers are a little more difficult, and require more specialized tools. If you decide to build, gimme a holler. I'll help you with the upper.

ammo

A bunch of great folks in our squad always makes it fun, and of course, kudos to Robert S for another challenging COF.

I'm still saddened by what i continue to read here...   If ya dig thru the news accounts (....yeah, i know that they can be wrong, deliberately or otherwise...) ya see that this man wuz a 107 year old, legally blind and gimped up old man....  Folks, that IS the heart of the problem here... This little ole man wasn't a murderin drug dealer, mother raper or father stabber, nor a 21 year old junkie blowed up on drugs; he wuz a gimped up little man, aged 107... This man pointed a gun at a couple of his friends because he was evidently distraught, and shot thru a door when the police were interacting with him...  He evidently had some sort of an episode that rendered him terribly confused...    I simply do not agree with the "protocols" and "dogma" that says that once police are called, they are obligated to end the situation they find themselves in by neutralizing (...killin...) whomever they are interacting with immediately... The police did their primary job by protecting those who needed protection by escorting them away from the house.  This old man had no hostages in his house with him, if ya believe the info that is out there.  There wuz no one there but him (...in the room...) and the police... What would be the harm in waiting him out?   A 107 year ole man aint likely to "barricade and boobytrap" anything; especially a crippled up, mostly blind old man...   I simply ask that ya think that one thru for a few minutes...  What was the harm in waiting him out?... There aint a real answer for that one....  It appears that this little ole man's sin that evidently wuz worthy of death is that he defied a command from the police to give up and shot thru a door...  I simply cant help but wonder that if that little ole man wuz the granpaw or father of one of these officers, especially the commander, would this technique be used and the outcome defended...??     Folks, this is a serious moral and ethical issue as well as a police technique issue...  It needs a thorough review and some very serious analysis...  I'm vitally interested in this stuff, and i think ya should be too..  These guys could come to your (...or your grandpaw's house...) house one day...  Think about that one for a bit... This is, indeed, a tragic (...and i think heinous...) episode indeed...    Time will tell if this one shakes out; this one is far from over...  There is one thing for sure, however, that little ole 107 year old aint gonna get any older, and those involved will never be the same again... I think that is a shame...I think it should have been avoided...   leroy

So, I bought a new kydex gun case tomorrow and I'm gonna open carry my rifle in it. With a fake supressor and a 203 launchef loaded with smoke rds while walking down the middle of knoxville wearing a plate carrier and a turbine while screaming randomly. Who is with me? :D Tapatalk ate my spelling.

I'm in for 2 each.

  :D   It would be interesting to know how many are in this limited collection when all is said and done.  All of us that buy them are going to be exclusive members of a club for sure.   Well maybe we can start a new group. (TGO lower owners club) or TGO LOC.

dude a marble or frozen paintball can kill a small animal, it would be more humane to just shoot the thing with an actual gun.

Because he was about to get hit? I don’t know I wasn’t looking into the eyes of a guy getting in my face and yelling; he was. He moved him back, which is a perfectly acceptable move, and he was attacked. We don’t know why the cops were following them or what was said outside. So “probable cause” isn’t even an issue here. The two brothers said the cops were following them and “profiling” them before they pulled into the restaurant. Why? Situations involving cops get out of hand quickly all the time. But that could have just been two citizens that had words with those guys. When you start throwing blows; you go to jail. The cops are a minority. They are white cops in a black Police Department, in a black city. They may have overreacted but got cleared because they are a minority. They may have beat the two brothers to playing the race card. If Al and Jesse do show up they better be protecting those cops. If the brother that started the attack is the one that wants to be a cop; I hope any PD that considers hiring him sees this video. If he wants to stop Police violence he can start by not filling out an application. I’m just adding comments here; I really don’t know what happened and neither does anyone else, other than the investigators that investigated this incident.

Maybe I look at our little community differently than some, but I'm surprised at the nerve of those who have been willing to advertise those kind of prices on TGO. Maybe it's because I've been an active member for quite some time, but I look at most of the members around here as an extended family. And I sure as hell couldn't bring myself to sell stuff to my family members at those prices.

Get an old Belgium made Browning A5 , it will serve you well for both. I have a Beretta Onyx O/U that I'm afraid to scratch , although it is scratched now. The third shot counts if you want 3 in a row , my Benelli Super Black Eagle is a duck slayer , but I love my dad's old A5 when it comes to a natural point and shoot shotgun.

  It was a conversation.  The gangrape came in when the OP dropped the soap on aisle 9 in the sporting goods department at Wal-Mart.

Who'd a thunk it?

Well, I figured it was time for more bullets. Didn't want to run my stock pile down and dip into my reserves. So, I ordered a "couple" boxes. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Should keep me busy for at least 2 days. :D

Jack began to assess the situation and looked at Brigsby, "Mike, we should put him in a cell where he can lay on a cot, plus he's in the way here." Brisgby nodded in agreement, then looking at the injured man, "Disculpe señor, puede moverse bajo su propio poder?(Excuse me sir, can you move under your own power?)" The tired  and wounded man wearily responded, "Si..." Jack was stunned at how fluent Brigsby was, "Just how long was your stint in Panama?" Brigsby chuckled as they lifted the man up, "I was there for the duration of the operation but then was transferred to an embassy there, apparently having a doctor who could fight was a sought after thing down there." The two men laid the wounded man down on a cell cot; even for being as tan as he was, the injured hispanic was experiencing extreme pain and was developing a fever. "Looks like the bite wound is causing an infection." Jack stared hard at the man for almost a solid minute before saying, "Mike, we need to open those bandages." Mike was now curious, "Jack, we JUST got him patched up, why would we do that?" Jack had a very stern and serious look on his face, "I have a feeling that this is just like the movies and games to an extent."   Brigsby had a unimpressed look on his face, "We're REALLY going to base this 'hunch' off of Hollywood?" Jack a little irritated at the comment, "If you have a better idea let's hear it." Brigsby shrugged with nothing better to say, they entered the cell and peeled back the bandage. The wound was already producing pus from the sewed up area and the surrounding skin was extremely red and hot to the touch. Brigsby was shocked, "This wound shouldn't even be producing pus yet!" Jack closed the bandage back up, the man grabbed Jacks hand, "Está todo bien?" Jack had a puzzled look on his face and Brigsby chimmed in, " He asked 'Is everything okay?'." Jack made his hand into an OK hand sign while giving a hollow smile, "You're going to be alright" Jack looked gravely at Brigsby. The men walked out of the cell, Jack leaned towards Brigsby whispering in his ear, "Lock the cell, I'm fairly certain now that this thing is viral." Brigsby let out a sullen grunt in agreement and nodded. He locked the cell to the feverish man. Brigsby thought, 'Never thought I'd see the day when I lock up someone who hadn't done anything wrong and was innocent...'

The men began to make their way inside when Jack slowed down to a stop, "Brigsby, what's your first name?" Brigsby stopped, almost as if he had to think about it, "Mike, it's Mike Brigsby." Jack grinned without saying a word, began walking again.   Jack held the door open for Brigsby as his father had taught him to do for anyone, especially women and his seniors. Brigsby looked confused upon entering as the front desk which would normally sit a receptionist was empty. "I wonder where Shirley has gotten off to." Jack began to take in his surroundings, a trait picked up from his training. Jack was always aware of exits and entrances to buildings he was entering and always mindful of how exposed his back is. Jack then noticed that all the desks were empty and where even a night watchman would be was vacant as well. The two began to poke around the area.   Jack then noticed something that would come to save his life many times to come. The hair on the back of his neck began to stand on end. He had experienced this same sensation once before, it was when he shot his very first human being when all of his senses told him to flee. Brigsby was just about to call for someone when Jack quickly grabbed his shoulder jolting him. It caught the old officer off guard and he spun to face Jack who was holding a single finger over his own lips shaking his head. Using the same finger, Jack tapped his ear. Brigsby then whispered to Jack, "You don't think?..." Without saying a word, Jack nodded his head, then whispering, "If there are any of those things in here they'll all head straight this way the moment they hear a sound." Brigsbys eyes grew wider and a worried look came over his face, "Mother Mary help us..." Brigsby began to make his way back towards the holding cells with his hand on his weapon. As they approached the cells going down the corridor, the two stopped as a shadow made its way around the adjacent. When the silhouette made around the corner, it was a blonde woman in her mid-twenties. She looked at them and then asked, "Mike? What're you doing here?"