High Tower Armory has created this:
And I am tempted, especially with full ambi controls.
Having done light research on bull pups, it seems the trigger quality is the greatest weakness. I don't see the HP getting any worse.
Saw a review from a left handed shooter, the ejection port is off hand friendly in design. Other reviews are positive, suprised no negative reviews. This tells me it works out of the box if your HP runs.
My total investment with this 4th incarnation would be about $650 with all parts and accessories
Want to start out with my bias towards PCCs. What a great idea. Take a handgun round and make it pretty effective 50-100 yards.
A buddy sold me a nib 995 in sometime in '08 for $175 with 6 mags. Did as much research as possible and figured if a lemon, HP will fix it.
Sat for at least year, maybe two.
You see, while I am not a gun snob, it was so hideously offensive to my fine aesthetic style in the original "manlicher style", Planet of the Apes stock, I couldn't even shoot it in private.
Couple of notes:
Don't dry fire, the firing pin double as the ejector and is a weak part of the system.
Check mag lip specs if experiencing feed issues.
Trigger is questionable. There are YouTube videos to improve as well as an aftermarket tirgger if you are so inclined.
I am not so inclined, though if feeling industrious, I may do a light polish.
While www'ing, I discovered the ATI CX4 clone replacement stock for $69.99.
Had to have it since I really like the look of the Storm and it eliminates the hideousness.
Easy install, iron sights, my buddy is hitting the target at 50 yards.
I am good to go, at one point I had mounted a 3x9 on this version.
Looks cools, still no function issues.
Notes about the ATI stock:
You have to remove 8 screws to remove the receiver from the stock for cleaning and maintenance.
It MAY void the warranty; I believe I saw this on the HiPoint Forum many moons ago.
The material of the ATI is similar to a semi flexible abs plastic, the original (and current HP stocks) are a more like a plasticky nylon (?)
The other difference is how the barrel is supported. The ATI has a single hard plastic clamp vs. full support with a factory stock.
Supposedly, the way the barrel is supported, the flexibility of stock itself when the bolt fully recoils coupled with the odd little camel hump to absorb the recoil is how the system was designed.
True or not, it the ATI stock, the bolt noticeably hits the rear and after repeated use, the thin rubber recoil buffer pad was pretty beat up. The picture I saw was showing damage to the rails and after the first few fixes, HP figured out it wasn't a design fault. The report came from a guy who shot is 995 a lot, hundreds of rounds per monthly outing
For occasional use and an improved recoil buffer pad, you'd probably be safe.
I went the supersafe route and upgraded to the $69.99 TS stock with dual mag holders.
It was this stock with $40 BSA red dot that pushed it to "protect my wife and life status," after using it in a close range carbine class.
Since then, I started my M1 Carbine saga and acquired an AR, so I didn't think I needed a 9mm PDW, so turned it into a plinked with $40 bipod and $69 BSA 1-4 budget optic. Figured I could deer hunt from my home office window since they get within 25 feet of the house.
It's pretty heavy to hump around, but it will get the job done.
10 rounds mags will work if you got a bunch in your pocket.
Be sure you seat the mags with the TS stock, they are slightly recessed in the mag well.
The spring loaded recoil pad is neat in theory, not necessary with 9mm recoil and causes a for and aft positioning between shots.
It's compact, so for longer length of pull folks it may be uncomfortable.
Ergo are fair.
Newer models have LRHO, I do not.
Newer models have have redesigned receiver with clips for easier dis/re assembly.
Budget, brand name, well reviewed optics of all sorts should work - low recoil platform.
Dropping it and any optic snapping off due to the optic construction or plastic rail - different conversation.
With the availability and reported reliability of Red Ball's 20 round mags, I may drop the bipod and scope, remount the BSA (or a $50 Millett red dot) and throw it in the trunk.
By Six &Twenty
I just picked up a Model 11 in very good condition for it's advanced years. Stripped her down and cleaned all internals, which looked like no one had attended to them since she rolled off the line in 1936! She's squeaky clean and lubricated now.
The gun fires fine, however she is still cycling with low-power target stuff (2 1/4 Dram - 1 oz.) with the recoil system set for high-power 12 gauge fodder. Recoil on the high power stuff is pretty stiff and the action return spring 'sings' in the stock after a shot. These symptoms lead me to believe I need to replace the recoil spring, but I am having a hard time locating a 'new production' replacement.
I have two questions for knowledgeable folks on the Model 11:
1) What is the uncompressed length on the 'factory' recoil spring? (since all I can locate are used parts, this would allow me to determine if the spring has 'collapsed' or if it's still useable.
2) Has anyone played around with manufacturing 'spacers' to provide more tension on a 'weakened' older spring? This is not an ideal solution, I know, but I cannot find new stock.