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With a shitbag officer who got but hurt the kid did no more than he was required to instead of bowing to his authoritah. The kid may have been looking for trouble, but Deputy Ross and those that assisted him (like the K9 handler) were under no obligation to provide it. They chose to act in an unprofessional and possibly illegal manner that has now opened up the RCSO to a possible lawsuit. If any of the residents of Rutherford County want to lay blame for their tax dollars having to defend a lawsuit and possibly pay out a judgement/settlement, then they have to look no further than Deputy Ross and his accomplices that night.

When it comes to my constitutional rights, I'm not overly concerned about an officer's emotions. If he can't keep them in check and be respectful of a citizen's rights, then he has no business wearing the uniform. My rights trump his feelings all day long.

It's obvious that the young man's intent was to make a point with his recorder but that doesn't excuse the actions of the officers. They illegally searched his vehicle and acted like  a**holes.

Civil disobedience From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search "Disobedience" redirects here. For the 2002 film, see Disobedience (film). For other uses, see Civil disobedience (disambiguation). Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi was a figure known worldwide for advocating non-violent civil disobedience. Civil disobedience is the active, professed refusal to obey certain laws, demands, and commands of a government, or of an occupying international power. Civil disobedience is commonly, though not always,[1][2] defined as being nonviolent resistance. It is one form of civil resistance. In one view (in India, known as ahimsa or satyagraha) it could be said that it is compassion in the form of respectful disagreement In recent days I feel we have all seen the government implementing a system were by our rights and freedoms as American citizens are being eroded or outright taken away from us. The examples are too many to list here but attacks on gun rights to spying on citizens to targeting citizens for drone attacks are just a few. what we have is a total disconnect between the government and the governed. Those in power no longer govern based on what's best for the American people but rather what will keep and strengthen their own positions in power. The concept of America as a country of united individuals has been replaced by the concept of the have's and have not's. Throughout history we have seen this pattern repeated over and over both here and abroad. Nearly , if not every social conflict in recent times has involved the government oppression of their own or other people. This is clearly seen in the civil rights movement of our own country. There was a time that our own government denied basic rights and freedoms to citizens of African decent in this country. We all either remember or have studied the segregation that was the law of the land in the past. Finally one individual decided that enough was enough and decided to challenge the law of segregation. That person was a woman named Rosa Parks. One day Ms. Parks decided she had been subject to an unjust law long enough and decided to challenge the status quote. That decision started a movement that brought equality to a whole class of citizens in this country. I suppose there is a reason cliff notes are not allowed in most schools today as they never seem to tell the whole story. Would the cliff notes on Rosa Parks says she went looking for trouble. Would the cliff notes on Paul Revere say he went looking for trouble. Perhaps the cliff notes on our founding fathers, those who landed in Normandy on D-day or those in our military serving in distant lands today are looking for trouble. Perhaps a quick read of the cliff notes might allow one to reach this conclusion but when one reads the whole story we might reach a different conclusion. A read of the full story may lead to the conclusion that these people were challenging unjust and oppressive governments and laws. We can all just submit to the commands of government and become their puppets or we, as this young constitutionalist showed, start to challenge these laws and hopefully be part of the process of returning the government to the people. Each one of us must decide our own path in this conflict but we must not allow ourselves to condemn those who decide to be part of the solution.

Cliff Notes on Thread: Kid went looking for trouble and found it. Some people agree with preceding observation. Some people disagree and invoke Ghandi, Rosa Parks, etc. Cops like Krystals just like anyone else. I'm now hungry for Krystals.   Did I miss anything?

I agree. I think both of their criminal histories and arrest records should have been allowed.

Very unprofessional but the kid was a smart ass. Here is my take: 1st I carry a gun so even if he has no "right" to stop me and ask me questions I'll stop, be polite, and unless they ask to search my car everything is fine. 2nd, its been said time and time again "don't try and argue the law with a cop that may or may not even know the law" 3rd, I've been through a bunch of DUI checkpoints and never had anyone act like an ass. 4th, I carry a gun. I have no desire to be dragged out of my car taxed or worse and handcuffed. I'm a big boy and its hard to get up off the ground while wearing handcuffs and a cops taser in my back. 5th, if you treat everyone the way YOU want to be treated things seem to go a lot smoother in dealing with people.

If politics were not involved, there would be no trial.

Depends. Did you just quickly glance over a single beetle infested tree? or have you been watching the beetle infestation slowly but surely spread across the forest?

Out of the all the arguing on reddit, this is my favorite quote:   It's unfortunate that things like this happen, but a uniform doesn't mean automatic respect anymore; and the good ol' boys should learn this.  A simple search of youtube can give you a reason not to trust a police officer.  Every cornhole with a cell phone can easily take a video and upload something, if you're a ####ty cop you're going to get caught eventually.  Did the kid go looking for trouble?  Maybe.  But that doesn't excuse the officer's actions, then again not everyone can be like these guys: http://youtu.be/xq_RvJ7CtOw http://youtu.be/G1CjZN2H5-8

At least we know he loves young Cox.

Here's another DUI checkpoint video.....different outcome entirely.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZCYIV_vbKM

Im amazed at lots of the things ive read in this thread; especially right above in Keel's posts.   The fact of the matter is that most folks who see things thru the lens of reality understand that the  embracing of the gay agenda in the political and business community is nothing more than pandering to another group of people in order to collect some moolah for the business or government apparatachik --- nothin more.    If we claim to be the paragons of 'tolerance for the views of others" as some of the more open minded have proclaimed to be; how come it is that we have so much venom, condemnation, and bad talkin to stored up in us that we cant simply say to those who dont see things the way you may see 'em?  Why not simply grant that ... each individual has a right to his/her/its opinions...; and leave it at that when the impasse hits?  I say that if we supposidely believe in all these individual freedoms and are so intellectually and culturally advanced; we ought to believe in the adult idea of listening to differences of opinions regarding these issues.  As some smart guy philosopher said in the long ago: "...The mark of wisdom is to be able to examine an idea without actually embracing it...".    RE:  The discenting "moral" issue:   I say it's ok to have a discenting opinion on this issue based on moral grounds.  That opinion has been around for millenia and was prevalent in lots of cultures.   The "moral" issue (...i know, save the speeches about "whose morals".  They are yours; whether they are taken from some religious authority or from your own fertile mind; its an individual judgement and decision.   In the end, the individual makes his own moral judgements...) is a valid one; and it aint just tied to the Christian world view.  Holding this opinion doesnt make you a "religious zealot".   Some folks simply dont see the gay thing in the "broad-minded" pop culture view that is bantered about today; and, with me, that's ok; and it ought to be ok with you too.  Nobody here is gonna take up the sword and exterminate anyone else. The inference that there are those on this forum who would do those things is nothin but childish "hyper-speech" designed to inflame and obfuscate the sensible, reasoned discussion of this (...or any other issue...).   The sixties hippies have done their work well (...some of it needed doin---some didnt....) in that they have effectively taught the "gospel of tolerance" for all actions; no matter how heinous to some elements of society.  It's the ole "re-writing of the immutible laws" thing in acton. They have also been very effective in teaching the "demonization of enemies" thing as well.  Both these tennants of hippydom are fully and firmly enshrined in the minds of many today as gospel; thus creating some "new immutable laws".   We can quibble a bit about this one; but i firmly believe in the pop culture thing that says the only virtue is "...the un-negotiable demand that the individual have tolerance for the views, actions, habits, sexual preferences, proclivities, ect, ect. that the current "pop culture pet tribe demands ....).  There simply are no other virtues.    "Tolerance" means to them that you must embrace, accept, and celebrate whatever the "flavor of the moment" happens to be.  If you dont do that; you are Satan.  That gives these "tolerant types" the license to berate, make fun of, name call, excoriate, ostracize, ect. ect .ect whomever happens not to share their current view with the whip of the old "you aint tolerant" excoriation; and gives them license to call you names like a bunch of school yard children.  This action supposidly causes the offending party to cower in the corner and beg for forgiveness for not being tolerant enough.  When the poor offending party does his pentinence, he is finally restored into the fold of "inclusiveness" and readmitted into the pop culture tribe...   This is not only ignorant and laughable; it's the ultimate intolerance, i say.   If we are so damned tolerant of other views; why aint we tolerant about opposing views and why dont we have an adult discussion about them?   I dont know about you, but names dont bother me too much.   I could give a damn less if you call me a name; especially the "intolerant, homophobe, bigot, on and on and on".   I see it as a mark of childishness which always comes out when those sayin them have run out of gray matter to argue the facts.   I dont believe in the "god of tolerance" and i aint gonna bow down to he/she/it/whatever...  The fact is that everybody who is gay aint a gay jhadist; and every person of faith aint a "religous zealot".   This thread started as a commentary on not likin the youtube stance on the gay agenda.   That's ok with me; i dont happen to like it either.   What it has turned into is a pseudo-namecalling attack on those who see things differently than some other folks do.  Then we started the hippy "tolerance jhadists" thing.   I think it's laughable that the "tolerance police" are so intolerant.    There aint any words that i dont use; and there aint any "tolerance police" that i obey.  Neither should you.   If you dont like something; just state your case if its relevant.   Dont name-call.  It makes us all look collecively dumber and it never works with people who have good sense.    This picking and choosing of everything that comes down the road as a "civil rights -- human rights" issue does nothin but continue to "balkinize" our society and make it devolve even more into tribalism.  Tribalism is the exact opposite of republican democracy, and where tribalism wins the day, republican democracy is ultimately vanquished.   If this wasnt so serious, it would be funny.     I'm thru with my little rant now; my indignation is dropped back down to around room temperature.   I say folks ought to think a bit about this little rant and decide who they really are.  Do they believe in rational discussion or in namecalling?  I recommend the former rather than the latter.  The latter makes you look ignorant and childish.  Nobody looks good ignorant and childish.   leroy

I know that this is going to sound "radical" & "extreme" but how about restoring the Constitution as our nation's highest set of laws? It's really a no-brainer, if agents of the State (LEO/LEA's, NSA, IRS, TSA, DHS, etc) have no RS or PC to believe that a violation of a statute or ordinance has been, is in progress, or is about to be committed, they leave citizens alone.

If nothing else he would be able to sue for monetary damages resulting from the dog scratching his car

There are plenty of examples of municipalities paying out because of lawsuits arising from civil rights violations by officers in cases like this. Also, I wonder what the odds are about a defense attorney being able to use this video as evidence to impinge upon the reliability of a RCSO K9 alert signal when trying suppress evidence that followed on from such an alert? The false positive alert is pretty damn flagrant in this video.

This wasn't any trouble or inconvenience for this guy. He set out to have this type of encounter with LEO. He's as happy as a pig in slop. 

Cliff's Notes:  Kid goes looking for trouble and finds it.

I think the biggest reason for a side saddle - in my opinion is to be able to do a quick slug changeover.  I keep my Benelli M4 stoked with 00 buck, and with one in the chamber and one on the elevator, it'll hold 9 rounds.  It's nice to be able to get the one out of the chamber and get a slug in quickly if for some reason the need should arise.  That opens up a lot of versatility that you might not have if you just grab the shotgun and assume what's in the tube is going to be appropriate for the situation.  Being able to quickly and effectively do quick slug changeovers really changes the platform.   With a 7 round saddle, I keep 3 slugs and 4 more rounds of 00 buck - this out of the old adage that if you aren't shooting a shotgun you should be feeding the shotgun.  It does add some weight, but I don't find that it affects balance.

I think every thing about both party's past should have been thrown in front of a jury. I still to this day can't figure out how in the hell do you get to pick and choose what you can discuss in court. If it's relevant , use it!   Dave

Regardless of how this trial works out, this mom will have to live with her actions that contributed to this tragedy.   TM had been suspended 3 times. Did she ground him? Take away his phone and computer? Did she go to the school and talk to the principal? Did she even know that they found jewelry and buglary tools in his locker? Wouldn't a responsible parent take some pretty strict steps then to show TM that his actions have consequences?   Did she know that TM had missed 53 days of school... 53 days!?  What would a responsible parent do if their child had missed 53 days of school?   The mom failed TM. The dad failed TM. The school failed TM by not teaching him that actions have consequences. What's really sad is that lots of other kids are being ignored the same way... and that will lead to disaster for a lot of them.

The first prison shootout on The Walking Dead was pretty horrible. Handguns AND rifles had absolutely no recoil yet Carol was rubbing her shoulder after the fight. Must have just be arthritis. That and the deputy taking the safety off of his Glock on the first episode.

Suspending the constitution, suspends the powers granted to whomever suspended the constitution.  Anything done by the government at that point is by it's very nature is an illegal act...     And our rights don't come from the constitution, and they can not be suspended legally by the government, because they existed before the government.    

From reading just that story, this should  be a criminal case. At least one Officer wrote in his report that they conspired to commit criminal acts. This was home invasion, false arrest, aggravated battery and conspiracy to commit all of the above. In reading the story I am unclear why they arrested the occupants or why the went to another house and arrested other family members.   If there is any truth to this story it should be investigated by the FBI. I wonder if the Clark County Sheriff or the State Police investigated any of this.

The problem is they can't find any evidence in the locker.

I read the Declaration of Independence to my wife today. She had never heard it read. There is power in hearing the words you don't get from just seeing them. it will be a new tradition for our family from here on out. She said that it seems to have been written for what is happening now The founders were pretty smart after all

"It's not the people who vote that counts, it's the people who count the votes" - Joseph Stalin.

Yeah. Screw that guy for exercising his second amendment right to Keep and BEAR arms. He should be a good little subject and keep all his firearms hidden like they are illegal or wrong or bad. Tapatalk ate my spelling.

For those who want to save 13 minutes of their life: It's a summary video of the major conspiracy theory principles   Oh, and buy gold

Way to hack up a classic. I don't know why, but this pissed me off. Maybe I am just grumpy..not sure why people think that SKS rifles can be turned into an AK with a crappy plastic Tapco stock. I could see a Chinese SKS, maybe, but a Russian? Come on man. http://www.armslist.com/posts/1394885/knoxville-tennessee-rifles-for-sale--all-numbers-matching-sks--1953-russian-tula-

That's absolutely amazing.   I see it has a couple of sling mount points.   :lol:

  It still was no excuse for the cop to act like an asshat. The kid wasn't exhibiting threatening behavior; he was reacting to his perception of his rights being violated.   Very unprofessional behavior on the part of the LEO IMO.

  Nothing good can come from that. I know the boy is innocent, but it needs to go to the jury.

I am not a big fan of side-saddles, they tend to snag on stuff, however Speedfeed stocks are the cat's meow IMHO for carrying a few extra spare shells, they keep them tucked in the stock, easy to access but out of the way.

Relevant:   http://www.noforcedannexation.com/

while i respect the badge and the law it represents this is just another reason i don't respect those wearing it. the driver followed every command given but still we see the intimidation tactics of the gestapo vented upon this young person. i would bet every Glock i own if the comrade outside the car had not seen the camera they would have found "drugs" in the car. Age profiling if i ever saw it. 

  Well, if they ever make a shotgun sidesaddle that holds a backup gun.... :woohoo:

Wow! This doctor is being extremely hostile.

John McClane, Die Hard 2: "That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me. You know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany...."

I have only listened to news clips, but am convinced this congregation has had a clarion call and urgently needs to fall on their knees, pray, and cry out for healing, and not get up off of their knees until it happens.      2 Chronicles 7:14 - "Then if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land."

Yea we had a really good 4th, I don't drink though (at least not often & never to excess) we mostly watched fireworks, wailed on each other with Nerf swords & played catch/fetch/tug of war with our dog, until he was exhausted. Last night we did a bonfire & stuff, so yea pretty good holiday so far.

I was told 12 months ago I would be in a FEMA camp right now in many of the threads here.  Yet here I am, having to pay for my own home and provide my own food, when I was clearly told by the moonbats I would be taken care of in exchange for my immortal soul.  Imagine my disappointment.  I just refinanced and everything to give the gov a lower rate.  Egg all over my face, I tell ya!

Right or wrong, you want attention you're going to get it.   Politically...does this sort of thing help or hurt the 2A cause? Tactically...sorry, retarded.   However, before you OCers attack me, I had this experience just yesterday... On duty, in uniform, I zip into Walmart to grab something.  Dude walking around, shopping, and OCing an XD (open-topped floppy IWB, turned backwards, and clipped to a pocket...more retardedness). Anyway, someone asks, "Are you going to check him out?" Me, "Uhh, no."       "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."

This is why today is celebrated and why America is here: When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.  He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.  He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers. He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance. He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures. He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation: For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world: For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:  For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury: For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies: For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments: For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation. He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.  He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends. We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

And another story...   I bought my Dillon 550 used for $350 two years ago. I only shoot 9mm, IPSC, IDPA & Steel. I was buying 115gr Fed from Walmart by the case that ran $11/50+/-. I thought I would never reload buying my ammo for that price. But almost everyone that I was shooting with reloaded so I thought why not. I buy all my supplys in bulk. The range where I do most of my shooting gets up a bullet order once or twice a year for Vallent lead. This is MY break down: 125RN $38/1000 = 3.8 TiteGroup Powder $20/lb.  3.8gr   around 1,800 rds/lb  = .011 Fereral SSP $30/1000 = .03 All I use (and have ever used is range brass..So Add that up and i'm loading for .079 cents a round. $3.95/50rd box That price goes up when I'm shooting 115gr MG, but was lucky that I ordered three cases before the crazy hit.   I really like to reload my ammo but if you find everything you need at the right price, you CAN save $$$ Plus, have ammo to go shoot every weekend. HTH

Liberals contaminate everything. I generally ignore them, unless I'm in the mood to piss them off.

Big Boy? Big Boi? Big Bo....errrr... fat man?

Well that was sunshiny.

Appendix FIVE-Course Design Rational "Keep contestants moving at a downrange angle so their muzzle direction will be safe. The single greatest concern for muzzle direction issues in IDPA is a stage or scenario that requires the contestant to move along a line parallel to the firing line. Typically this involves a 'wall stage' where the shooter must traverse from one point to another to engage targets. It is far too easy for the shooter's muzzle to be directed in an unsafe direction. Sound course design should always avoid this type of problem. Always be alert to this issue for both right- and left-handed shooters. IDPA strongly recommends that extreme care be taken to set up match stages so it is natural for the firearm to remain pointed down range while the course of fire is shot. One of the great sins of many course designers is the practice of getting overly complex. Complexity is the enemy of good course design."

I would most likely have the contents of my bowels all over me and the tree stand. Bears are scary.