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Jumping line is not against the law. Yeah it pisses people off but what law have they broken? And more importantly what remedy can someone get against someone who cut in line? Nothing. People can bitch, grip and complain about it but beyond that nothing else can be done unless the property owner/manager decides to ask the person to leave the property. If a parent chooses to walk rather than wait it is not their fault the rest chose to sit along side of the road.   The officer kept on using inflammatory adjectives to try to provoke the parent into a confrontation but he didn't bite. And when he didn't bite it upset the officer so he arrested him.   The officer should be fired and charged criminally for kidnapping both the parent and the children. The sheriff should be charged with obstruction of justice for not investigating and suspended until another election can he held. The school principle should be fired and charged as well for being a coconspirator to the kidnapping of the children. And the taxpayers of the county should pay these parents millions for electing the sheriff but not before the officer, the sheriff and the principle are court ordered to give all their property and assets to the parents. Maybe when people like this start having to live under a bridge with their families they will see the error of their ways. But what is going to happen is nothing. The officer will continue to work there and will stand behind the immunity of being a member of the sheriff's office.   I hate officers that over step their authority and this was not a baby step but a world record leap.

The issue is he did follow protocol...  He found a loophole to their protocol, and they flipped out and tried to make stuff up on the fly...  They assumed all children would go home 1 of 3 ways, schoolbus, picked up in a car, or walk home alone.   This dad walks to school therefore skipping the parking/car situation, and is going to walk his kids home because he doesn't feel it's safe because of the traffic issues with the Sheriff admits to in the WATE article.  This situation is not documented in their policy and instead of treating him like an invisible car at the front of the line and allowing him to take his kids home right away.     They wanted the parent to sign a form allowing his children to walk home from school unsupervised...  he objected to signing the form because he doesn't want his children to walk home alone, but instead wanted his children released to him and he would take them home.   He didn't walk into the building on his own, the deputy and/or a school official asked him to go into the office.  He shows up at the normal pickup point where children were being released to their parents and asked for his children just like any other parent in a car.   The school policy is wrong here, period.  While they are allowed to have policies regarding the safety of students/staff, and fire codes....  None of those are at issue in this case...  If anything this parents method of picking up is safer and less invasive than using a car.   You're right the parent should be reasonable...  If he shows up at the same place as parents with cars and asks for his children, then using the same process as when a parents car gets to the front of the line, his children should be retrieved and allowed to leave with him...  I don't think he was asking for any special treatment, only that his kids not be held for 45 minutes to an hour after school was let out when he was there to walk them home.   The deputy IMHO violated the law, every day he walks the streets of this state with a badge and a gun his clearly poor judgement is a risk to every citizen of this state.  Not only should he already have been fired and his POST certificate revoked, he should be sitting in jail awaiting charges for his violation of the law.  And frankly if I were the DA, he'd be looking at life in prison without the possibility of parole or worse.     The school administrators who prohibited the father from having access to his children should be facing custodial interference charges or some other type of kidnapping related charge for refusing to provide access within a reasonable amount of time, school administrators are not little bureaucratic kings, they are subject to state law, and their ability to withhold access was not lawful, nor was it within reasonable guidelines of student or staff safety.   I agree, he should take his kids out of school, public schools are the root cause of so many of societies problems today, the sooner we can do away with the government interacting with our children on a daily basis the better.  

Don't shoplift ... Knockout edition.

My son showing how to effectively administer a stiff arm on his way to a 26 yard TD. 2A state football playoffs at its best.

people go to Chicago every day and don't have trouble.  I lived up that way for eight years and never had trouble.   99% of violent crimes in Chicago are gang related.  I would not lose sleep over going there.   A sure way of inviting trouble is to illegally have a gun,  especially if you are a law abiding person.  YMMV

Just because a government bureaucrat makes up a policy and puts it in writing doesn't make it legal.  More importantly the policy doesn't appear to cover the situation you're describing so all the actions were taken outside of the written policy.   State law is clear once the school day is over the school is obligated to return custody to the guardian on demand, it doesn't allow for any exceptions outside the scope of student or staff safety, neither of which are anywhere near applicable here.   And the form they asked him to sign granted the kids the ability to walk home without the father, if that is against his wishes how can he be required to sign the form?   The school administrators are wrong, and should be facing criminal charges.  And Captain Donut should be sharing a cell with Bubba tonight on felony kidnapping charges.   Frankly I'm surprised the dad didn't beat the snot out of the deputy, and I doubt you'd find 12 men and women in Cumberland County that would have convicted him for doing it.    

  Bizarre comment. If it weren't newsworthy, there wouldn't have been any responses here after I posted it.   - OS

I think what pissed donut boy off was the fact that he was calm, and donut boy didn't know how to deal with logic..

  I think the charge was Disorderly. Fact is, if that guy would have been truly disorderly, it would have taken a hell of a lot more than Donut Boy to get him in the car.

Personally, if this happens it is an act of treason by those in the federal government and anyone who allows this to happen needs to be hanged( Would have suggested firing squad, but we need to save as much ammo as possible). Rope is a lot cheaper than bullets, these days.

The sooner you get used to it, the less shock to the system as perception becomes reality.   - OS

Not sure if I'm going to run these or just hang onto them for the coolness factor. I think John Noveske would say "run'em"! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk

I posted this because I hear about some people having issues with their local gun stores and I wanted to write something positive about mine. I recently missed out on the purchase of a Remington 870 Magpul at another LGS. I called Chance this morning, and not only was he able to quickly locate the shotgun, he also saved me a pile of money over what I was going to pay at another store. To show my support, I spent most of what I saved on ammo. I can say without a doubt that Halfpint takes care of me every time that I visit Classic Arms for a purchase or transfer. Good guy!

Chance gets it. He also refuses to wear those girlie hats (inside joke).

As was noted earlier, for likely years to come, Zimmerman is going to be under a microscope and everything he dose that may be illegal or wrong and is going to be noted and likely made a bid deal of (whether it's really a big deal or not).  I think it might be worth mentioning and us worth taking note of that that this could be the lot of ANY OF US who might have to defend his/her life with deadly force.   If we ever have to use deadly force to defend our life we also could be charged with murder - for anyone who didn't already know, the Zimmerman/Martin shooting should have taught us that whether someone is ultimately charged with a crime in a self-defense shooting is not always charged because of the facts of the situation (i.e. that other factors can determine whether or not a person is charged). We also should know that going through a trial and being found "not guilty" does not mean that our troubles are immediately over.   Aside from the seriousness of taking another person's life, the aftermath, such as what Zimmerman is experiencing, is also part of the responsibility we take on when we carry a firearm and just one of the many reasons why doing what we can to avoid the need to fire should always be our first goal.    

when is the constitutional convention?

I say sir as a mutual respect for selfless behavior like holding the door or being polite. Personally I would take it as a sign of respect instead of a slight against your age. But then again, I'm 35 :D Least they don't say "here ya go gramps, the geritol is on isle five next to the ensure".

I am keeping the weapon on me.    Still going to look at those purses in case I cannot wear my weapon, though, for whatever reason. But I know me, and I know when it counted, I wouldn't be able to find my purse.    I am off to find where classes are announced.  I took the concealed class already, I was hoping to find one with more range instruction, especially for women.     The SW folks were great.   The gun is a model 38, steel cylinder like you said, and made around 1976.  They gave me some different recommendations on ammo, and some said it was going to be painful, or at least make hands sore, and others said no big deal.  They overwhelmingly recommended standard pressure 148-158 wadcutter ammo.    I am going to a couple of gun shops today, kids in tow. Headed out to the farm this Monday if no range time before then.    I am sure I will come home today wanting one of each of what I see :)  Poor husband, he may not be 100% on board but he humors me and I know it bothered him when I did not like his gift (Glock). 

http://cumberlandcountytn.gov/sheriff/ Butch Burgess, Sheriff 90 Justice Drive Crossville, TN 38555 Phone (931) 484-6176 Fax (931) 456-7582   Also, not a bad idea to call these people and ask what is being done: http://cumberlandcountytn.gov/county-commission/ http://cumberlandcountytn.gov/mayor/   I have seen people get arrested for DC then a few officers joke about it being for "contempt of cop". That was pretty isolated though. What is a lot more prevalent though is arrests for PI. I have seen officers use public intoxication as a catch all because it is very hard to disprove because it is based on the officer's observations and not any type of testing. When arrested for PI the arrestee is NEVER, at least from what I have seen, given any test to see if they are intoxicated. I have seen people who were completely sober get arrested for PI. And in every instance they said they were arguing with the officer. Not saying every officer does this but it does happen.   This stuff sickens me. The schools have too much control and power over our kids and the SROs are used as the muscle to enforce policy, not law.

This is a result of liberals and wussified beta males who are offended by anyone doing anything for themselves.  People who don't hunt, don't understand.  They think we are just out for blood and that we kill things for the fun of it.  While that may be true for SOME hunters, that is no where close to most.  Most of the hunters I know, honor and respect the animals in both life and death.  How is hunting anymore brutal than herding pen raised cattle through a tightening tunnel only to be shot or electrocuted?     How is the lion any different than any other animal she has killed?  It wasn't endangered, it wasn't illegal, it has 4 legs and a beating heart like everything else, but somehow because its a lion everyone is in an uproar (pun intended).  Also, African Safari hunts aren't cheap. I bet it cost her a MINIMUM of $50,000 US dollars for that lion.  That money goes to the local communities and helps to provide for those impoverished Africans, oh and she cant bring that meat back, the locals will eat every bit of it.  Their livelihood depends on rich outsiders coming to hunt their animals.     My family has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on land and improvements to the land to help out the quality of our herd.  Part of having a healthy heard is also eliminating some of it. This is not wasteful eliminating.  I killed a doe last week that I didn't need.  So I gave it to some Mexicans building a house and they were thrilled.     This wont make a lick of sense to anyone who is not a hunter, but I feel remorse and sadness for every animal I kill.  I also feel much joy in knowing that it will provide for me or someone else.     I bet many of these people who are so offended that she killed a lion probably have no problems having a baby aborted. Yep, I went there.  But its true.   

Even at $40 considering the money or at least part if it went to the family is still say well spent. Now had that terrible accident not occurred and these were just Noveske branded Pmags for the sake of being cool, I'd say $25 - $30 would be about right. Once again, in the time frame we were seeing people buying standard $12 pmags for $50+ I'm going again with "good buy" and that's my final answer Regis. :D

Rule of the house, no christmas decorations until after Thanksgiving.

  Seems to have plenty enough gut to me. :)

Welcome to the TGO forum. Your handgun appears to be either a nickel plated model 38 Smith and Wesson, or perhaps a stainless model 638. If you open the cylinder, the recessed area where the cylinder crane rests when closed should be stamped with a model number. It favors the 640 a bit, but has the added feature of still being able to be manually cocked and fired in single action.   Assuming you can pull the trigger without great difficulty, it would make an ideal carry gun. In fact, I couldn't think of many better suited for conceal carry. It is also a very well made, high quality revolver that has some collector interest, and would bring a decent price.   If you can find them, I would recommend you buy target ammunition loaded with 148 grain wadcutter bullets. These will be easy on recoil. They also should make formidable self defense rounds as well.    After you check and recheck to be sure the gun is unloaded, it is perfectly acceptable to pull the trigger in order to get a feel for the gun before actually firing it. You can practice your trigger control and sight alignment this way, as well as building the necessary muscles and muscle memory to better shoot it. Dry firing a center fire Smith revolver, to my knowledge, doesn't do anything to damage the gun.   My wife carries a J frame Smith and Wesson revolver, as do I.   This turned out to be rather lengthy, but hope it helps.

I'm Irish. I've got a hard freaking head. Little SOBs better bring a 2x4 or a wrench or something. That's some really sick stuff there. When we were kids, not even that long ago for me mind you, we used to fight EACH OTHER!! Going up to some random person and cracking their head open? It's just kind of a bitch move all the way around. I doubt you see less than 3 at a time doing this, they need an 8 person posse just to sucker punch someone. And for everyone out there packing heat, now you know it's only a game. Next time someone out of a group of people clocks you one out of nowhere, make sure to remember they don't want to hurt you, it's only a game. Defending yourself would be racist.

they're not even as good as animals, animals only attack to feed, or defend themselves. they are beneath animals...

Look, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a .38 snub revolver for home defense.  Nothing.  One more time: NOTHING.  During an average self-defense shooting, the person fires a whopping two shots (my memory is saying it was actually 1.8 or something like that, but I don't recall the source).  In one study of police shootings, the average number of shots fired is less than 5 and that's with them carrying semi-auto handguns with high-cap mags.  Cops carried .38 revolvers for decades and killed plenty of people in the process, and usually with lead round nose or FMJ bullets instead of hollow-points. Putting this all in proper perspective, you need to think of a few key points:   1) The likelihood of you ever needing to use any firearm in self-defense is extremely small.  Violent crime stats show you are much safer today than 20 years ago. 2) Even if you do find an intruder in your home, it's very unlikely that they will head to your kids' room.  They want your money, valuables, etc. 3) Even if the intruder does go to your kids' room, they are very likely to flee when they encounter a very upset mother armed with a handgun. 4) That revolver has more than enough capacity and firepower to stop a threat as long as you do your part. 5) Because the firearm - any firearm - is only as good as the person using it, make sure that it is in proper working condition and you know how to shoot it well. 6) If you don't feel confident with your shooting skills, you need to get some training and practice.   7) If you still aren't comfortable, you may want to consider adding a baseball bat to your arsenal.  Getting clocked on the head is usually a threat stopper. 8) Keep a flashlight available so you can easily see what you are potentially pointing your firearm at. 9) In reference to the comment about a security system, even the illusion of a security system, such as alarm stickers or a sign outside is good enough. 10) If you don't have a dog, and don't want to get a dog, make it look like you have a dog.  A "BEWARE OF DOG" signs and a big chew toy in the yard is good enough.

You're a lucky man!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 of course it ate my spelling.

Better leave it at home depending on where in IL she has to go. They are getting better but I would test the waters yet. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

I like this knock out game.. http://youtu.be/8evxV-X7814

Thinking about the upcoming weather and deer season, I realize that I have a "need" in my collection... a bolt gun that I don't mind dragging out into the weather. A Winchester 70 Extreme Weather in 30-06 or 338WM is now at the top of my "need" list. Hmmm...

For this amount of money, I would get what "I" wanted.  Otherwise, you will always be curious.  Sometimes, I just buy the two competing models, to settle the dispute amongst myself.  That way I leave no room for unhappiness other than the bank account or wife.

I was under the impression all Henry's had walnut stocks.

I'll be sitting in the stand with my wife (hopefully dry) for the first time. I talked her into taking hunters safety a month or so ago and bought her a Remington 700 in .243 that I have now spent way to much money on haha. It's a sweet shooter than and pretty to boot.   We have the agreement that I get the first shot on the big buck though. :pleased:

  Wasn't drinking, I'm just dumb

So it would be safer for him to stand between cars on the side of a highway for 30-45 minutes with car whizzing by at 40 mph?    Lets be honest, some teacher seeing the 3 or 4 cars pulled up, and goes and gets the kids as a group for those cars, the kids climb into those cars, and they pull off, and the process is repeated when the next 3 or 4 cars pull up....  How many parents can there be waiting to escort their kids home?  Lets say tops half a dozen?  Probably much less....  just grab those kids when you go back for the car kids... problem solved.   In all fairness this was some long established procedure that had been going on for years and years and this guy just decided to cause trouble...  The school had changed the process about a week ago, and it resulted in an unsafe traffic situation - which the Sheriff has admitted to in the WATE news article...     And since the government is at best completely incompetent at the best of times, they took a problem, and made it worse, and when faced with a situation their procedure didn't cover instead of handling it like adults...  Deputy Donut decides to get into the middle of a faulty school procedure and gets his feelings hurt and breaks the law by unlawfully arresting this parent.   I'm not at all surprised the school administration is so clueless they couldn't figure out a solution to the problem...  I'm terrified that Deputy Donut still has a badge and a gun....  The fact the sheriff won't view the video tape and admit his deputy messed up and hasn't corrected this situation by making sure charges are dropped and the deputy is fired means the Sheriff needs to be recalled, or voted out of office next time around.  

I have already commented on this story, so I am not going to rehash what I said previously.  I did have a tangential question.  Are schools so ****ed up now that a SRO is even required?  I find it amazing how much has changed with the school system in just a little over two decades.

definitely, like Spiffy said, don't plan to just stand by and watch.  If you have watched videos online, then you pretty much know what it is about.  Just come and shoot, you won't regret it.  It's a little bit more of a drive, but 1st Saturday of each month up here at ORSA, we shoot IDPA also. 

That is exactly my point Peace. Lions and other predators are not endangered by hunters, but by poachers and / or farmers who kill them to protect their livestock. When hunting is allowed and (according to my PH) 70% of the trophy fee (50k and up for a maned lion) goes to the locals then you can bet the locals will protect those animals from other farmers and poachers alike.    Also, lion hunting is massively regulated. Any reputable operation will only hunt older lions that are no longer breeding.   So, if hunting lions doesn't harm their breeding populations and in fact provides an economic incentive to expand and maintain their habitat... well I don't understand the objections. I can't accept an emotional argument that hunting these noble beasts is wrong. It's not, these hunters do more than anyone to conserve the lion population.   If you don't buy the article above, then look at what's happened to elephant populations. In countries like Namibia where they are hunted, the populations have grown and dramatically expanded. There is an economic incentive to let these terribly destructive animals live and flourish. Namibia welcomes hunters and it's wildlife prospers because of the money pouring in. Drive through the country side and you'll see game animals everywhere. Contrast this with countries like Kenya that banned all hunting. Now you can't find game in Kenya except in a few protected parks.    Again, this is counter intuitive, but it's a very straight forward proposition: Trophy hunting, conducted responsibly and in accordance with the law, fosters conservation. 

     In that article from WATE, the sheriff is quoted as saying that he did not watch the video and does not need to.  ie. "Whenever my deputies are acused of incompetence or inappropriate use of the "force of law", I will not investigate, and they will not be held accountable. (I have no real desire to uphold the law within my own ranks.)"   ...hmm... sounds like cumberland county residents need to have a collective "sit down" with the sheriff.          More stations need to pick this up; the heat needs to be put on this school administration (for encating policies that contradict state law, and for inappropriate use of RSO) and the sheriff.  Unless there is something I am not seeing, this is a pure case of lawlessness by an LEO.   laywers of the group?  Can you give your opinion without actually saying anything that might be used against you?  :)

  would have been nice if they could have relocated him somewhere else, in a place less likely to be tempted by humans..

It was not the Elk's fault: humans had to have been feeding him to begin with.

Thanks for the advice guys.     I agree that it would be nice to have someone with insurance, but I've already (over)paid someone to take off the most threatening limb.  The rest is pretty straightforward.  Like I said, it is near the house, but it would be actually pretty hard to get it to hit the house due to the lean.  I could easily hit the workshop, but it's a small 8x8 building, so I won't cry if something goes awry and it gets damaged.   Yes, I know how to cut a large tree with a small saw.  I have an 18" Stihl that could bring it down.  I have done so with several large trees, but due to the proximity to the buildings, I need to keep the holding wood even for the entire back cut.  It's leaning heavily, so it COULD start falling before I want it to.  If my hinge is not even, it will pull to one side or the other and I don't want that to happen.  The long bar is mainly an extra precaution.   Yes, I did climb it yesterday and cut off a limb that would have caused it to twist when it hits the ground.  I did have a safety harness and I do not have narcolep :snore: ...   I have two, possibly three, friends who will be here.  Between us, we have dropped literally hundreds of trees.  Many while on the job.  One of them teaches the class that new sawyers for the NPS or USFS have to complete before they can use a chainsaw on the job.  So I'm not concerned with the level of expertise.  We just don't have liability insurance.   Already have a quote from the same guy who cut the killer limb.  It was going to be another $1000.  Nope, not happening.  I've weighed the risk vs savings.  The risk isn't that great.  Like I said, it would be pretty hard to get it to hit the house.  I can rebuild the workshop for less than a grand.   As for cleaning it up, I would do that myself anyway.  I heat the house with wood.  So I'm going to TRY to get a portable sawmill or Alaska mill out to make some boards from the trunk.  The rest will be firewood.  If I can't get a mill, the trunk will be firewood too, but it will be a shame to waste that.  It's such a nice straight, clean tree for about 20 feet up.  It will make some nice boards.   Yes, I will try to get the whole thing on video.  So if I truly make a mess, you can say "We tried to tell you, you flaming idiot!   :shake: "     And I think I have found a saw.  Thanks Spots!   I'll report back Saturday night or Sunday.  If I'm still alive. Hmm.. maybe I should sell tickets.   :popcorn:   Will

The first time I got a senior discount on coffee at McDonalds, I didn't ask for it.  Little azzhole!

Shamelessly stolen from the Ace of Spades overnight thread comments....   The only way to make the ACA popular again is to take the law, put it in a Lincoln Continental Convertible, and drive it down to Dallas. In 50 years everyone will still be talking about what a magical law it was.

A standard G19 is such a soft shooter, not sure what the compensated version would do.  I wouldn't buy one and would get the standard model over the C, but that is just me :)

  No, I dont hate on the recon class. Im more of a play the objective type bf4 player. Im sure in team deathmatch or other game types the recon class really comes in handy. All I play though is conquest, and whenever Im the only guy on my squad playing the objectives because my other two or three teammates are sitting on top of a builiding somewhere, it gets aggravating sometimes. Hard to win a conquest match when a third or sometimes even about half the players are sniping.

Love it! Thank you, both!   Will they be able to tell me if it is Aluminum or Carbon Steel? Yes, a magnet would also tell you. I will almost guarantee you that you have a steel cylinder.

How about one of these?   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u17ll043Ld8

Maybe he was stupid...maybe he actually did something wrong...maybe his girlfriend (who appears to have complained to LEO) is just being vindictive about something.   Getting charged, especially if it's "domestic" is pretty easy...whether he actually did anything wrong or not is another matter alltogether.