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I don't know how I feel about it. I mean the scum bag needs to die, Injust wish there was a way to stop it from turning him into a martry. Maybe hang him while he chokes on bacon, then bury him at sea stuffed in a pig carcass with the ceremony being performed by a Christian minster from a KJV bible. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/28/nidal-hasan-sentenced-death-military-jury/ Tapatalk ate my spelling.

It's amazing how many people in this thread have incorporated "Fret anxiously over possible legal outcome of using deadly force to protect myself from imminent fear of grievous bodily injury or death" into their OODA Loop.  There's something wrong with this picture.

My only hope is that in the long run the poor girl remembers neither the assault nor seeing what her father did. Both could leave painful scars on her psyche. Nonetheless, kudos to the grand jury for refusing to return an indictment. Scum like Flores don't deserve to be breathing the same air as decent folks.

The true question is why would anyone buy anything besides a Glock?

God bless our men and women in service to our country.

The article makes it sound as if he didn't mean to kill him...I know what my intent would have been in a similar situation. I cannot understand how some people are capable of the things they do to children but at least this is one less pos alive.

I just read a story on Infowhores that cites a Reuters poll which puts approval of military intervention at just 9% of the US population. This is in contrast to a 90% approval for the invasion of Astan and 76% approval for the invasion of Iraq. Yet Bush is the big war monger.

There is absolutely nothing that I value above the lives of my family that I'm supposed to protect. When somebody forces entry into my home they are assumed to be there to do them harm. I don't have the luxury of giving the criminal the benefit of the doubt. He lost that when he forced entry. The locked door was his warning. No lawsuit, fear of conviction or any other superfluous reason will trump my duty to protect my family. I won't gamble on their lives by giving an intruder the opportunity to disable or kill me, thus leaving them unprotected and at the mercy of a sociopath. If other folks are cool with that, then by all means, worry about civil suits. I'll worry about keeping my family alive.

I know I'm not the only one on TGO that's already shaking and pumped up for opening day of deer season. I've been seeing deer everywhere and my heart starts thumpin like I'm sittin in the woods getting ready to let and arrow rip! 

Okay, the thread title is a little tongue in cheek but not entirely.  It seems that some scientists are claiming to have found a way for one person to control another person's body by linking the two individual's brains via a computer.  They are calling it a 'mind meld'.  I call it 'seeds of the zombie apocalypse'.   http://now.msn.com/human-mind-control-could-be-soon-a-reality?ocid=ansnowex   Sure, it might seem a little far fetched, now but think of the potential, future applications - both good and bad.   Need to send people in to a dangerous environment (say an accident site with high radiation levels) where a robot may not have the manual dexterity to take care of the task?  Well, take corpses, install things like pacemakers and other 'life support' type equipment to keep their circulatory system functioning, lungs working and so on (keeping their bodies technically 'alive' even though the person is dead) wire their brain for wireless Internet access, strap a camera to their head and allow a living expert to control the body remotely so that only the remotely-controlled corpse is actually exposed to danger.   Of course, the military potential of such a capability would be obvious - as well as the possiblity that an increasingly militarized police force could make use of it.   Or maybe even go the full-on cyborg route.  Use the corpses of recently deceased donors, integrate the aforementioned 'life support' equipment along with the equipment needed to interface with the brain into an armored, cybernetic 'suit' and you'll have an unfeeling, uncaring, unthinking zombie 'Terminator' (or Robocop) that can be remotely controlled by anyone with the right equipment.  Heck, someone with the right training might be able to control two or three at the same time.   Now think if terrorists or similarly unbalanced people got ahold of that technology.   Like I said, a bit far fetched but it is an interesting mental/imaginative exercise to think about the potential for advances in such technology in the future.

                                                     http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3003661/posts     This dude doesn't have it.

Thanks.... I need to go clean myself now.

So let me see if I got this right. Some dude decides to put porn all over his gun and starts engraving, then puts a pretty cool boy girl pic on one side and then decides he needs a pic of some dude spankin it on the other side?? Then he makes the handle a pecker??WTF???    I wonder if it has ever gone off half cocked??

It's a snubby!!  :rofl:

Nope Pincus doesn't at all. Your statements draw me to a different conclusion. Maybe I am misreading your words, but the portions I have bolded read to me as an endorsement of a duty to retreat. Considering that the legal threshold for use of deadly force is the reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm, to say that the opportunity/ability for retreat or the ability to provide the opportunity for the criminal to retreat means that one's "life isn't really in danger" would therefore impart a duty to retreat on the victim. The danger to life exists from the moment the criminal begins their act of violence, not when the victim has no ability to flee.

I guess it's ok on one side, in a truck mud flap kinda way. But why a dude whippin' off on the other side???

  Let me quote the cop. "Get back to me when you get out of attorney school". Where are the charges?

There is a massive difference between someone who is attempting to gain entrance and someone who has. It would make sense to give warning when they haven't yet made entry since they still don't have the ability to do you or your family harm yet, and the primary goal is protecting your family. If you can prevent them from entering in the first place then success has been achieved. Once they are in the house there is nothing separating them from hurting me or my family. In the house all bets are off. In the house any intruder is a clear and present threat to your life and the lives of the people you are responsible for protecting. The point here is the difference between a present threat and a future threat. Someone who is attempting to gain access is not a present threat. They may become one in short order though. If you can prevent that from happening with nonviolence then great. A clear and present threat is a different story. I can't imagine putting the life of the threat, potential prosecution or potential civil liability over the lives of my kids. Those are some pretty screwed up priorities.

  Maybe but do you think the grip angle would change every time a pretty girl walked by?  Talk about printing!

I'm not a father so I can't even imagine what that would be like but I can't blame the father at all.

  Your right, it's an automatic assumption that if someone forces their way into your home that you are in fear for your life, it's pretty much a permit to shoot first ask questions later scenerio and if I were a betting man, i would bet the farm most all Tennessee DA's will see it that way, maybe not some New York DA but they have no say in Tennessee. Even though most thugs are stupid I believe they are at least smart enough to know if they break through a locked door with the residents at home they may have to kill one or all of them and most don't care. They are the ones at fault if they get themselves killed, I or anyone else have no legal or moral duty or responsibility to run and hide in our own home, they are fully responsible for whatever happens. That one or two seconds it takes to "warn" them are valuble seconds, seconds that may give them time to shoot you, i'm not wasting those seconds. My life and the life of family members are far more valuble to me than the thugs life, if he/she didn't want to die that day then they shouldn't have forced their way into your home. I don't want that to happen but if it did some day I believe I will find a way to live with my decision.

  All the more reason to carry on your person while at home. That puts you in complete control of the firearm and in doing so, you can keep a round chambered.

[quote name="confidence" post="1022141" timestamp="1377576467"] Not sure what I think about this Pincus video: I think for me it would be more like this: 1. If there is time, the family would barricade in the safe room without me 2. I would positively identify the target as a BG (especially important at night) and then pull the trigger I know it would likely not be that cut and dried as there could be other complexities, but I'm not sure I agree with his version, including the idea of verbally warning the BG that you have a gun.[/quote] I have kids to protect. Any apprehension on my part to eliminate the threat puts their lives at risk, especially due to my floor plan. Anyone who illegally enters my home does not deserve the benefit of the doubt, and anyone who risks their lives by giving an intruder the benefit of the doubt is being foolish. The benefit of the doubt ends at the locked door or window they came through. The locked door was their warning.

We've spilled more than enough blood and spent too much treasure in the middle east with no end in sight.  Let 'em kill each other off; the Israelis will finish 'em if they get too rowdy.   leroy, radical isolationist libertarian

So, what happens when you put together a medium ALICE pack, ALICE frame, MOLLE straps, and a MOLLE sleep system carrier? You get what is affectionately known as the "Hellcat" pack by the dude who originally did a write-up on it over on Survivalist Boards. In any case, I built this one to try out. I'm out of town this weekend, but I'm looking forward to giving it a go. It is very adjustable and should adjust all the way through the range of kids (age 10+ probably) to adult torso sizes. It's not as lightweight as today's ultralight packs (obviously), but it's not painfully heavy by any means.

Up until the last couple of years, I always had all 3 weeks of my vacation left at the beginning of deer season. Most of the other employees were out of vacation by then. I enjoyed every single minute of vacation sitting in the woods. The last couple years though, I've been taking time off to spend with my daughter during school break. I'll miss those extra days in the woods but wouldn't trade it for the world as she is growing up so fast. I'll have a couple of days to take off this season, but every weekend I'll be trying to outsmart those swamp donkeys lol. I'm hoping that the trend of weather this year, means we are going to have a nice cold winter and with enough finger crossing, some snow!

I took the first week of bow off work, gonna live in the trees and sling arrows that week!

For Clarksville specifically, this has been an ongoing problem for may years.  Although crime here is raising i feel there is a lot of political pressure to undercharge and plea everything in order to falsely lower the crime data. 

Perhaps something along the lines of

Because I don't shoot maximum loads in anything anymore. I'd rather shoot the OP's 458 with cast boolits and moderate powder load than beat my shoulder into submission with those Rhino killers he is loading.

Someone does something like that and you catch him in the act, you SHOULD be able to give him what he deserves without ANY penalty whatsoever.

  Yep. All the soap bars have rope loops on them now, so you don't drop 'em in the shower :)

Simple question, someone or 'someones' are jiggling your front door, even pounding on it......you say, " go away or I will shoot'  and they comply.  OR  they do come in, when you said nothing, they all are armed, even have BP vests, and you die in the shootout, your family killed, or worse.  Which option had the better outcome.  I know, I know, stupid question, but the point is, there are some situations that verbal warnings can prevent tragic, unnecessary outcomes.

  Put a damn pad on it,  you don't lose your man card or anything.   - OS

  From the Opinion:     http://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/op/2013/op13-066.pdf   The "story" is, now a City or County can make the discharge of a weapon a crime, the State cannot preempt even the use for personal defense under 39-11-611 according to Cooper's Opinion.  Not that a judicial review might not set that opinion aside, who wants to go before a Judge to find out. 39-17-1322 got gutted last year in an appellate decision, which deletes the "shall not be charged with" language and completely reads it out of the statute.  

Brother TGO'rs, I came across this just a bit ago, and thought y'all would get a good laugh. Enjoy! DaveS Crack'a American

  Urban safari territory, where the quarry shoots back.   - OS

Pincus is smoking crack. 

I think it all depends on the situation, and every situation is different. It could be a kid you know that is trying to prank. On the other hand, it could be someone willing to kill you. It's a really tough call and a very serious one. I'm not going to be "pre-loaded" to pull the trigger unless I determine that pulling the trigger is the proper first response. An intruder advancing toward my family in a dark hallway of our home is probably not going to hear me yelling over the sound of gunfire anyway. If someone just walks in the door while I'm home alone and I have the tactile advantage... I'll say get out of my house and back it up with lead only if necessary. I think it really does depend on the situation.

  I'm 100% certain I can stop a threat quicker with bullets than with words.  Someone who has forced entry into my home, where my wife and kids sleep, is a mortal threat; no different than someone who is pointing a weapon at you.  You may say there is no guarantees in a gun fight, but there ain't no guarantees with trying to talk an intruder from killing you and your family.  I don't see how anyone could say that it is the preferred technique.  If someone is bent on doing you harm which do you think will stop them faster; words or bullets?  I know the choice I'm going with.

I disagree, the forces that run Obama are steadily about the business of bringing this Nation to its knees, everything is going exactly as planned.

Alright everyone! Reach under your seats and pull out your brand new Glock 19! Free from TGO!   Wait...

Before everybody gets too jumpy and throws "the baby out with the bathwater" so to speak; just take the time to remember that the minutemen, the british, the mountain men, the buffalo hunters, naval gunners, army cannoners, road builders, the quarrymen, and the miners everywhere (....and everybody else that shot or blasted anything...) handled black powder to do it with until well into the first 1/3 of the twentieth century.  Havin said that; I'm convinced that esd probably set this charge off; but ive got no way of knowing that for sure.     Ya need to use metal (...brass, non sparking....) tools to reload black powder with; along with a real good look at seeing to it that there is no potential source of electric charge near (...rugs, plastic tools handling powder, plastic loading blocks, cel phones, electric motors, ect, etc -- ya get the picture...) and that everything you use is non-sparking or grounded if the rounds (...or powder containers...) sit on it .    Blasting regulations with all kinds of powder (...black and otherwise...) have always cautioned about lightning and electrostatic discharge when handling and loading explosives (...black powder is an explosive... Smokeless powder is a flammable solid...).  Electrical sparks (...big or little...) can set this stuff off; as can a pretty good blow (...shock as with a hammer blow...) to the powder itself.  Dont be dragged off into the woods by some yahoo on youtube sayin that electric sparks wont set off black powder.  Rules for handling black powder and explosives are "written in blood".  That means that researching catastrophes and  confabulations (...after burying the dead and tending to the maimed...) caused these "rules" to be known and adopted.   Being careful is the watchword with all reloading; and is doubly true when handling black powder, dynamite, or anything else that can set ya on fire or blow ya up.    Remember, on balance, the most dangerous thing that ya handle with reloading is the primer.  It explodes from a relatively light physical blow.     Look carefully at everything ya do... .   There is a place right up the road from our location where a genuine loss of life tragedy happened from what was suspected to be an esd.  The place wuz the Pyro Shows fireworks fab facility.   These guys were (...and are...) world class pros that make their living by handling black powder by the ton.   Accidents happen from the most innocent of actions or from overlooking of hazards that are sitting in front of ya.    This is a double lesson.... . One in thankfulness that Dave wasn't hurt any more that he was; and the other in that things can happen very unexpectedly and that the source of the confabulation can be relatively minor; even undetectable.   Be watchful... .  Be careful.... .   leroy

This is basically my position.  I am generally opposed to intervening in other nations' internal problems, however I do think the GLOBAL community has a duty to intervene in cases of especially egregious aggression that violates international law (like the use of chemical weapons against a civilian population).  I think other nations need to pony up more of their resources instead of always looking to the United States.    

Sir, that was very well said! In my opinion, the middle east is the cesspool of the planet. Let them settle it amongst themselves. What scares me is what Iran will do if the US strikes Syria?   Dave Crack'a American

Holy smokes! Glad it wasn't any worse. I don't currently reload, but I do appreciate you sharing your story. I would have never thought about the possibility of static electricity causing an issue.    Here's to hoping for a swift recovery.  :cheers: 

I work at a prominent guitar manufacturer in Nashville, and we often have musicians tour our plant when preparing to make a signature model.  Maybe George was doing the same with Kel Tec?   Awww... too soon?  ;-)

I have an original working NES. And a PS3. Hardly ever play them anymore though. When I play my ps3 it is call of duty, socom, or skyrim.

  +1  I have 2 MRP's and I'm down to 5 barrels b/w them.  Fantastic rifles.   I would still look hard at why you want a piston AR.  They are marginally cleaner but noticeably front heavy.  Someone mentioned it above and its good advice (endorsed by SME's) about SBR, suppressed, auto.  You don't have to frantically GI clean ANY of your AR's.  Some people just can't get over that, especially prior military, but its gotten better over the years thanks to people like Pat Rogers.   As an aside, those gun shops are recommending piston rifles because they're more expensive and they're in the business of selling guns.  Most everyone here isn't selling you anything, just giving advice based on experience.

Thanks all.  For sure, she's a shooter.  I think at this point she 'owns' more of my guns than I do....she keeps claiming them, anyway.  She's already 'liberated' me of four .22 rifles, one Rossi .22/.410 combo, two single 20 gauges, a Survivor .223 singe, and my (her) Mark II.  Now she's also asking for her own compound bow.....looks like that's next.  It was at the Bass Pro at Opry Mills.