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    I think this is a good place to stop this thread.  I will note that Everything Weapons inquired a few times about advertising here and has yet to follow through.  Yet somehow, they've always had plenty of au-gratis mentions in threads from customers.  It's a gray area for sure, but sooner or later it seems a bit suspicious when someone registers for an account just to tell us how awesome their experience was.   I guess in the grand scheme of things, they got guerilla advertising and they got some guerilla feedback so there's now balance in the universe.  That being said, I'm now to the point where if I see Everything Weapons mentioned by anything other than a satisfied customer who's been a member of here since before 2014 and has more than 10 posts to their name, I'm going to consider it to be more spamvertising and delete it.   We've got good shops who support TGO and make it possible for us to entertain and inform our members.  The shops that don't want to support TGO shouldn't expect a free lunch.

You know one of the biggest problems with one of these interwebs "he said she said" monkey in the cage poop throwing contest is that you've BOTH going to walk away from this smelling like SH!T ...   (1) Ya don't stack pistols you don't OWN to compare sizes; you use your eyeballs and how they feel in the hand...   (2) Counter Guys have to put with a lot of scat from customers although some are scat to start with...   (3) Know that if you treat the customer like a douche (no matter if he deserves it or not) he will tell even complete strangers how he was treated...

For the record, I don't disagree with asking a customer not to do anything that might damage merchandise. But...if anyone (gun store, or elsewhere) indicates that they would draw on me for the things indicated in this thread, I have a big problem with them

      I'll vouch for your story. You may not remember me because of how stealthy I can be. If you did by chance detect me I was the guy wearing old army fatigues talking to the counter guy about my current SWAT Sniper experience and how much what I learned while being a Recon Sniper helped during this one hostage "event" at the mall I run security for (SWAT does NOT pay enough by the way so I have to supplement my income by working private sector security - I oversee a team of four and we train daily for "events" and "situations". Don't ask me to explain the difference between an "event" and a "situation" because I am not allowed to but there IS a difference).   What we had at ETW was definitely a situation, but obviously I cannot go into detail why. But obviously gunbartender deserved to be drawn upon but was even shown that mercy by the guy behind the counter because it was a "situation" and not an "event".

How does one get a street name of "pancake"?   On second thought I probably don't want to know.

This sort of thing was actually brought up during debate on the bill. IIRC, as stated during the debate and as has been opined here on the board the passage of this law would also legalize the carrying of a sword if one was so inclined. There is no separate statute that prohibits the carrying of a sword and no legal distinction in the TCA that says >x" = sword, < x" = knife. The current statute covered all of that with the prohibition of carrying anything >4" so with the removal of that prohibition it is all fair game. Like I mentioned before, I am pretty sure I know some Japanophile nerds that are going to strap on their katanas and go for a walk after July 1. Whether they should or not is a spearate question that I am not addressing, only that once this becomes law, they can.

Aww man! They got Pancake!

The more the sheep see OC, the less they'll go baaaaah.

  What gunshops have you been in? Every gun shop I have ever been in has had every employee OC'ing. It would be odd to me to walk in and not see an employee carrying!

I don't have a dog in this race, but this reminds of a lead up to a Roy Mercer phone call.  You know the guy, ....just how big a boy are you.....

The useltons curse !!!!! Shop will bk out in 1 year. Watch. I won't go there for sure after hearing this. I believe an apology should have been in order. What a dick. I understand not scratching goods, but there's this thing called tact that works well. I had a guy tell me not to break down a g27 a year ago that I did buy but when I asked him why not he said too many people let parts fly and parts have gotten lost in the shop. I accepted that and asked him to break it down I wanted to see the spring setup he showed me what I wanted and I left w it 20 mins later. My dad always told me it doesn't cost anything to be nice, my logic is yeah be nice especially when someone is gonna spend 300 to 3 grand....I've heard enough about this place,belittling someone in front of their child doesn't fly w me at all. Even if the customer is a nuisance... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 of course it ate my spelling.

[quote name="DaveTN" post="1135329" timestamp="1396911521"][/quote]1985 called and they want their phone back! Sent barefoot from the hills of Tennessee

I have harped on it a lot before but posting serial numbers and having a database do nothing to recover stolen items. I first heard the theory as a freshmen in college, I thought it was crazy. I realized it was true when I became an officer, friends would ask me to run a number and I would tell them that I had to keep it if it was stolen. They would say never mind. They wanted to know if it was stolen but didn't want to be out a gun if it was. Like mentioned before, it may very well be someone around you who knows you, let word get out that it was stolen but you did NOT know the serial number, I bet it will appear for sale. Otherwise, let someone know that it was recorded as a stolen serial number and it will disappear in a river or tucked deep into a sock drawer as a throw down gun. If it is in the hands of a gangbanger they wont care if it is stolen, it will eventually be found on a dead thug or during a pat down. If it is in the hands of a gun collector who finds out it was stolen it will be deep in a safe never seeing daylight, stripped for parts and each part sold on gunbroker, or carefully carried back in forth from the range. Very, very few people would be honest enough to come forward to the police if they found their new weapon was previously stolen.

When you want one the best in the world Katana for non Japanese folks are built by Howard Clark, he builds them the right way but we are talking about $4k One day I will have one of his Katanas

Well everything came back negative, just a bad viral infection. They gave me two bags of iv fluids and sent me home with instructions to stay in bed and keep pounding tylenol for the fever. Thanks for all the thoughts/prayers guys. It reminded me of why this is my favorite forum ever!

Shield. End of story.

Spend a little more and get the SIG P938.   It's my new "J-frame".  Wearing it as a backup gun right now.

  Fair enough.   Autoloading shotguns are awesome, but expensive (the ones that work anyway), so the pump is likely where you're at.   See if you can try the 870 and the Mossberg 590 (avoid the 500 like the plague, made of aluminum... steel is better in shotgun world). Quality-wise they're pretty much the same, it's a matter of preference.  If you like the pistol-grip + stock like you mentioned, the safety placement on the Mossberg is terrible for that.   As for the stock... the pistol grip swings a little faster, and is easier to move around with one hand.  The traditional stock points more naturally for most people, and is faster to load.  Again, try to shoot both kinds of gun and see which you prefer.  Stocks aren't terribly expensive, and you can always change your mind later.   As to "cruiser" style pistol-grip only shotguns... you didn't mention those.  Good.   :pleased:  Don't.  Unless you're breaching doors or just look for a range toy, they're worse than useless.     Whatever you decide on, understand that the shotgun is the toughest small-arm to learn how to "fight" effectively.  It starts out low on ammo, and just gets worse with every shot.  Practice loading.  A lot.  Several companies make dummy rounds that work great for this.  Sidesaddles work well for carrying a little extra ammo, and there are good belt carriers available too.  Basically with a shotgun if you aren't actively engaging targets, you should be shoving shells in the tube.   Ammo selection isn't as critical with the shotgun as it is with other systems.  Basically buckshot in #1, 0, 00, or 000 will do a very effective job of stopping threats.  Anything smaller will not reliably achieve the penetration into a human target  necessary to stop a threat.  #4 buck is pretty marginal, IMHO stick with #1 or larger.  Reduced recoil loads are beneficial.. you give up practically nothing in performance and get faster follow up shots.  Pattern your load of choice at 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, 20, and 25 yards.  You need to know where the pellets are going to go at each of those distances.  Maybe stretch it out to 40 or so if you have the room.   Birdshot is for practice (you should buy and shoot a lot of it), 3-gun matches (if you do that sorta thing) and, well, birds.  It has no place in an anti-personnel role.  None.  Absolutely none.  The only legitimate reason for using birdshot against people is if you don't have anything else.    I'd recommend a good reduced recoil slug as well, especially since you don't yet have the rifle.  Learn where it hits at 10, 25, 50, 75, and 100 yards.  A slug of three is good thing to have on a sidesaddle or other ammo carrier.  Learn the "select-slug" drill, in case you find yourself needing to make a longer shot.  The easiest (not the fastest, but the most foolproof) is: Rack slide, insert slug into tube rack slide.  It's not the quickest, and you put two rounds of buckshot on the deck, but it always works, no matter how full your tube or what kind of gun you have.   Well, That's DCloudy's Shotgun 101.  If you have any other questions, just ask.  We'll be happy to help.  :up:

Nothing like a lever gun. I love that saddle ring, too. Here's the last one I got... 1946 30WCF

It's all about ethics.  If I chose not to shop somewhere because they are gouging customers it's not because I'm protesting capitalism, it's because I'm protesting that business owner being a d***.  He has the right to screw his customers and his customers have the right to shop elsewhere.    

Free market cuts both ways.

I think the tone of the other threads is about the level of ethics in gouging. I think capitalism is the best system any country has ever seen but when a few really take advantage of what is going on, they seem like those folks that buy as much 22 ammo as they can just to resell it at extreme prices. Taking advantage is not a good quality imo.    A 15 dollar product that is marked up to 45 just because there is a bit of panic in the air is beyond bad business in my eyes. The key is if you feel like you got a good deal and are happy with the transaction. Personally I like to support my local shops but I do have limits with what I'm willing to pay.  

I don't think a person can go wrong with either an 870 or a Mossberg 590.   My preference is the 590...mainly because of the location of the safety atop the grip area. It lends itself to running the shotgun with either hand. But I run a traditional stock. The Mossberg safety location doesn't work well with a pistol grip configuration stock.   Dual action bars should be considered in any pump action shotgun for durability.   I have tritium ghost ring sights on mine. I run a sidesaddle loaded with buckshot and a butt-cuff loaded with slugs. It's relatively heavy, but mitigates recoil.   A sling is advisable...it's the equivalent of a holster for your shotgun and there are times when, administratively, you'll be glad you included one.       I don't know what region of TN you are located in, but you are welcome to give mine a try if you find yourself in the Knoxville or Oak Ridge area.   There's some excellent training being offered in our area the end of this month as well (by our own Randy Harris)...you can find the info in the "Tactics and Training" area of this forum. There is a lot of mythology surrounding shotguns, quality training dispels those myths and is an excellent investment in yourself imho.     Good luck with your choice.

Bud's is the Walmart of the gun shop world. Nearly no brick and mortar can compete on straight price once you factor tax. The shear volume they do is unbelievable. That being said most stores can get close but tax kills the local store and IMO, that is a tremendous injustice. No ones fault on that, just the way it is, since no one pays the sales tax on internet sales that they are supposed to. If they did Bud's would not be what they are.  It also takes a near perfect marketing, purchasing, shipping, and sales strategy to make it work which is why it is hard for other stores to duplicate.    To dispel a myth, transfers do not drive other sales for the local store compared to a straight gun sale. In fact most people use the local store to "shop", handle, compare, question, and research a gun before they go out and buy it online. Once all that is done, it's not a matter of quick transfer money for little work. It's all the same work to loose half of what they would have made on a straight sale because it was transferred and not bought in store. Now half is better than nothing and some things they just can't get. That is why they do it . Just a thought for perspective on why some gun stores don't get all warm and fuzzy when they do transfers, especially from Bud's.

We lived in Crieve Hall for 6 years... very near the Harding exit on 65.  We loved it!  15 minutes from the whole world (downtown, cool springs, airport (multiple routes), green hills.)  Because of that single fact, we were able to sell our house in the housing bust for asking price... quickly.  

Love these threads... Three sides to every story they say!   Only place I've ever been asked to leave was a bar... But then again at the time I was indeed a drunken sailer at the time....

I have never understood all the hating on beef jerky other non gun items at guns shows.  Do any of these tables stop someone who is selling guns or whatever from getting a spot?   If you can't stand jerky or gutter guards can't you simply walk on by and not look?  I sample the jerky and politely say no thank you to gutter guards. No big deal.     And 8 bucks is not so bad to be able to go somewhere and spend an afternoon around people who are like us.

    sounds like here.   Except there never is any to begin with.  heck I'd happily wait several months to buy 96 bricks.  I wait that long now and get to buy no bricks.   Oh for the old days where you could walk in any store just about and buy a 50 rd box of .22's for 98 cents.  Never a need to stock up.   Of course I also wish I could fart under the blankets and not smell pooh.

Another bush knife with acid etch and stone washed 1084 steel 3/16" thick. It has brown micarta scales with brass pins and lanyard hole. It also has orange liners and a little jimping and file work on the spine.

This evening I spoke on the phone with Walter Brend, he is an awesome guy he will be building me a Custom D2 in the near future, I probably will never carry it as it is going to be way too nice to do so but I will cherish it I had no idea what a great man he was until I spoke with him,

i have run the dragon in several different vehicles, two and four wheels over the years.  it is harder to do it in a cage and stay in your lane.  

I don't understand the problem? A store is free to do with their inventory as they like, I don't think anyone here would dispute that. The flip side to the coin is that we're free to talk about it. If a store makes its own bed, they have to lay in it. As far as us sitting around bitching about it, as a retail manager I wish there was an online forum full of my potential/former/current local customers telling me what they don't like about my store.

The 50 BMG conversion really drew me in.

Most of the time it cuts the second time worst.

  Ha!  When I lived on East Fifth in Knoxville, the carports were on an alley that was between and ran parallel to East Fifth and Magnolia.  Sometimes is was difficult to turn off of Olive onto that alley to go home because there were so many hookers standing around, blocking the alley.  I quickly learned, by seeing them, that your average street walker looks nothing like Elisabeth Shue in "Leaving Las Vegas" nor any number of hookers played by Hollywood hotties in any number of vice cop dramas.  The old saying, "I wouldn't **** her with your d***," came to mind.  Heck, I wouldn't have done it if they were paying me.   Then one day I was driving down the street on my way to the bank and noticed a couple of new faces standing at the corner of Olive and East Fifth.  There is a stop sign at that corner, the street isn't very wide and they were standing right at the edge of the sidewalk so I got a good look at them.  They looked exactly like the Hollywood depiction of a street walker or, maybe, something out of a porn flick.  They appeared to be quite attractive (with no herpes sores around their mouths, etc.)  Both wore skin tight, form fitting 'tube' dresses (one black and one red, a 'perfect' hooker pairing) that were cut well above - and I mean well above - their knees, showing off physiques that must have spent a significant amount of time in a gym.  Their hair was bottle-blonde (or wigs) but looked professionally done and teased/styled to within an inch of their lives.  Their shoes looked to be straight out of the 'Strippers 'R Us' catalog.  Their make-up was perfect and they didn't exude the 'desperate for my next fix' aura that most of the pros in that area did.   Well, I went on to the bank and when I came back home a few minutes later I noticed that both of them were gone.  I remember thinking to myself, "Damn, somebody is in for a surprise because those two were either undercover cops or very convincing transvestites.  Had to be one or the other because no, real hookers in this neighborhood ever looked like that."

I just bought a Shield .40, and I can fit it in a pocket holster tucked into my wallet pocket just as I do with my Taurus Slim 9. I got mine at $399.99 which leaves you cheese left over for ammo and holster.

man, I got jacked....LOL...

Mine leaked from day one. The RCBS Uniflow is much better. 

To me the difference is...do you want the recoil into your shoulder or into the web of your hand?

The remington 870 police and mossberg 590 are equal in quality, mostly a difference in safety location. Remington 870 express and mossberg 500 are a step below that but probably wouldn't notice difference to most people. Any of those are excellent, im partial to the 870 but thats what i grew up hunting with

:popcorn:

Got one more, picked this up last year, second week of gun season. Marlin 444SS '87. Bad mama jama

First time jitters ...... I still get them !!!!

One of my favorite pics of me with my Pappaw's handed down to me 336 in 30-30. I LOVE this gun! This is in Roane County several years ago, what a sight!

Just wait until the petrodollar standard ends. That's when gas prices will really go up. Sent from somewhere in the cosmos using magic...and bacon.

  I know nothing about racing but even I think this is a perfect analogy.  We no longer have statesmen upon whom we can count for leadership in either the Democrat or Republican parties.  Instead, what we have now in both of the major parties are nothing but politicians.  Politicians are useful tools, at best.  Republican politicians may be slightly more useful tools than Democrats, at least most of the time, but they are all still tools.  The best way to make use of those tools in order to get a job done seems to be to make sure they are pitted against the tools on the other side of the aisle.  Then they are all about 'proving' to the voter that they are on our side.  Give either side a comfortable margin of control (as in a supermajority and the governorship) and they don't feel they have to make any effort to prove anything.  Perhaps even worse, the crap that they might want to pass at the behest of whatever special interests they really serve can be whipped right through without hesitation.   And so you get Republican leadership that bows to the concerns of a few, big business interests and guts a bill that would protect an honest citizen's right to store their own, personal property (a gun) inside their own, personal property (a car) while on company property without fear of reprisal.  Then, you have a Republican governor voicing doubts about having law abiding citizens being legally allowed to carry whatever knife they want (because, let's face it, criminals do so, anyway.)  Finally, you have that same Republican governor speaking out in opposition to law abiding citizens - citizens who have had to submit to background checks and training requirements plus pay fees for a permit to exercise a 'right' - being able to carry a firearm on public property without worrying about whether or not this or that little berg has laws against doing so.  The Republican party makes the claim that they are the friend of the gun owner.  Huh.  With friends like that, who needs Democrats?

Why everyone should always carry a knife.