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So I am thinking about starting a TGO Hall of Shame upon which I will post the names of members who have, for various reasons, earned themselves a public shunning.   Extreme?  Hear me out.  :)   Every so often I have to spend an hour or so of my time in email and on the phone fighting to keep $20.  Because every so often someone buys a Benefactor membership here, uses it to post some ads in the Trading Post, and then goes to PayPal and disputes the charge saying that we charged them without authorization.  :rolleyes:   Bear in mind that we do not do automatically recurring subscriptions for this precise reason.  I never want TGO to automatically debit someone's account and be the reason why they overdraft at their bank, or can't buy groceries or put gas in their car.  An unexpected debit could easily cause any of those scenarios to play out.   So when someone buys a Benefactor membership, it's not a mistake.  They did it willingly.  And as most of you know, a Benefactor membership on TGO has some pretty immediate value and perks, the least of which not being the ability to use our Trading Post to post advertisements.  Which means that anyone who summarily demands a refund from PayPal is essentially trying to defraud TGO and "screw the system", so to speak.   And that's why I am tempted to start a Hall of Shame.   Because if you're willing to rip us off, everyone ought to know it.   :shrug:   What do you guys think?    

No, you should ban them. If I understand what you are saying, they know they need to be a benefactor to sell something. So they place the item for sale and then later dispute the charge? Who wants to buy and sell guns with people like that; ban them and call it a day. I’m generally against banning people over BS; buts that’s just plain criminal. You could post who they are though for the entertainment value or in case they sell other places. A lot of us have been benefactors a long time and rarely sell anything.

You are in Tennessee; you pull a sword and you will get shot. Don't bring a knife (or sword) to a gun fight.

That old hag needs to shut her damn pie hole. She couldn't be Secretary of State without disaster so I have no idea why anyone would feel she could be a decent POTUS. Then again....look at the loonies that support crap like she's spouting. Honest to God......any moron knows only criminals would have guns if law abiding citizens were stripped of their right. She should frequent more "gun free zones" without her armed security force. Crap like this makes me crazy.

I don't know how to start this. Very emotional topic but i feel that i can share it here among folks who would understand. A couple months ago, my great uncle (87) passed away after a battle with cancer. He was a U.S. Army veteran of the Korean War and distinguished himself with meritorious service with the 45th Infantry Division. He was awarded the bronze star along with other medals and was honorably discharged in 1956.   He was like a third grandfather. Due to geographical challenges, he was much closer to me than many other family members. He taught me how to shoot. My first round was fired on his farm in the hills of North East TN.   Before he passed, i expressed to my grandmother how much one particular gun in his collection meant to me. It was a 9mm. When i shot it around age 10, i had no idea of the significance. When my grandmother inquired about this gun on my behalf, she was told that it had been sold. Over the years, the gun in question served by my great uncles right hand. It was the gun found under the newspaper on the coffee table. He had many guns but this one was special to him. As i aged, he finally told me the story of the "9mm." This particular gun was brought back from Germany after WWII by a friend of his. It was a German P-38.    After he passed, i would have been pleased with the opportunity to purchase any of his guns from the family. Unfortunately, that opportunity never came. However, my grandmother called me tonight and everything changed. She told this story to another family member only to find out that he had purchased the gun from my great uncle. He graciously gave the firearm to her for me to pick up. For this i cannot thank him enough. It's not only a damn cool piece of history--it's a family heirloom that i will treasure as long as i live.   I don't think i can say anything to this individual to express how much i appreciate the generosity shown during a very tough time. I greatly miss my uncle and my friend but i this gesture will allow me to keep his memories close whenever i pick up this firearm.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5UevdKIk4

This is a recent article written about Australia's point of view verses America comparing the two and Australia's saying their gun laws would never work in the United States for many reasons. It is a long article so read it when you have time. I read it all. The last few paragraphs are the most interesting about facts.   http://www.thefederalist.com/2015/06/25/the-australia-gun-control-fallacy/

Maybe Hillary should live by example and give up her lifetime provided by the US taxpayer Secret Service protection to encourage others to give up guns.  Until that happens, I wouldn't take her very seriously.  Hillary has a do as I say not as I do mentality. 

Black lives only matter when white people are involved. When black people kill black people, it is not news because it does not support the narrative. In fact, it's racist to even bring this up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Again,    I no longer go where large numbers of people gather. I'm not getting wanded, or herded with the sheeple, nor will I be locked in a pin awaiting slaughter. 

I went to the Green Hills theater today to watch Sicario(which was awesome), and I saw staff wanding people looking for weapons before a special viewing. I was disturbed by this and spoke to a cop there. I asked him where the signage was banning weapons from the premises? I looked everywhere and not a one sign in sight. The manager said, "I think we have one somewhere...." Yeah, that wand is gonna do a lot of good when a psycho goes out the unguarded exit door in the theater and gets weapons. Rolling my eyes at that.. The cop didn't know dick about proper signs or anything like that. I don't think he fully understood anything. I'm preaching to the choir here, but I was annoyed by it all. Just had to get it off my chest.

Hall of Shame is pretty legit. ProfessionalSoldiers has the "Your Rucksack Is In The Hall" (not a good thing to hear btw) for people who fail to follow simple instructions/screw the system. And some honorable mentions of how to be a total moron like DamYankee or Gecko45. Its good comedy and serves as an example - and builds cohesion through adversity lol. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk

Your house, your rules, shame them. Might make a new member wait 30 or so days, have a number of posts before posting something for sale.

The greatest face I can think of for the responsible, law abiding, American gun owner. I wish there were more like him. He'd make a good NRA president.

A Federal gun ban would create a new group of criminals overnight. I can’t believe that could get passed through Congress. Of course Hillary would do it if she could; so would Obama. Neither of them gives a damn about the United States Constitution or an individual’s right to self-defense, and couldn’t care less if they violate it.

This is a Springfield 1863. I feel sure that it saw action in the civil war. Muzzle loaders were obsolete by the end of the war. Many were destroyed. Many were fitted with a trap door option. Many were taken by poor soldiers to hunt with, either as a rifle or shotgun conversion. The first pic shows the gun as a whole. The next one shows where the owner carved his initials in the gun, which I've seen in other period guns. The final one is the interesting one. There are three notches carved into the underside of the stock right in front of the butt plate. Of course, there is no way to say for sure what they represent, though it caught my attention and imagination.

How could you develop an opinion if you never shot one? Mini 30 over an SKS? That's just crazy talk.

Sitting on that stool, he's almost as tall as you are standing. To put it in perspective, he's 2" taller than Michael Jordan. :o:   I met him at an RK Show back when they still had them in Hendersonville...very nice guy. He's an asset to the shooting community.

The very first high powered rifle I shot as a kid was my Dad's Savage Model 99e in .308 Win. Of course even then, it was amazing to watch my Dad shoot it, and train my younger brother and I the correct and safe way to handle weapons. I loved shooting his Rem 870, his Super Blackhawk .44 mag, his Security Six .357, his multiple .22 lr rifles and the Stevens 20 gauge single shot that was our first "my own" gun. But there was always "something" about that Savage. At that point in my life, I didn't have a favorite type of rifle as in bolt action vs lever action so I know it didn't have anything to do with my affection for this particular 99. I think most of it was just because it was Dad's, but a lot was because I watched him re-checker it and change the stock from the darker color to the almost blonde color that it has been most of it's life. In my 20's I slipped into the work, chase girls, drink beer, and hanging with friends mode. So my hunting and shooting days were very few and far between, something I regret to this day. As I entered my 30's all of that faded away and hunting & shooting became part of my desires again. Dad and I talked guns and ammo talk more than we ever had, and I'd missed that. Somewhere along the way I'd started messing with him saying "Dad, you know that ole Savage is just gathering dust. You need me to take care of it for you? <insert laugh>". He'd always come back with one of a hundred responses ranging from "I think I'm gonna get it out and clean it" to "You know, I believe I'm gonna deer hunt with that this year" and the occasional "Oh, you'll get it one of these days". The latter being the one that worried me because I didn't want to get it the way most children get their parents weapons, in a will. But the jokes have continued all this time and even in texts: "Dad, just wanted to see if y'all were coming down this weekend .308" or I'd text him and say "I have break coming up, call me at 3:08" and always made for good laughs but to no avail haha. Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago and Dad began asking about my Rem 700 SPS Tactical .308 and talking about getting one. We talked stock and optic options as well as pricing variances. I began online shopping and sending him info on different ways he could go. He came in town this past Tuesday to visit with us while my brother and his family were in town from San Diego. He'd also picked up my new bow and brought it in with him so I met him at Bass Pro after work and we talked a lot and looked at some rifles while shooting the crap about life happenings. We left empty handed, which never happens with us, and we'd decided to go to local gun shops on Thursday and Friday for more shopping and hands on. He ended up buying the SPS Wednesday while I was at work, so shopping was done haha. He had them mount his base, rings, and his Leupold scope when he picked it up. I told him that we'd sight it in Saturday while we were having a family get together in Whites Creek. Saturday morning comes and I've packed up a couple AR's and my Rem 700, a ton of ammo and targets for a day of shooting that I've been waiting for a LONG time. One with my brother and Dad being there at the same time. With my brother being in S.D. it's rare to have the time and place availability for us to shoot together. I show up at my sister's place, start unloading everything before Dad gets there and he pulls in shortly after. I meet him at the back of his truck and we're looking at his new rifle, as he grins and tells me he can't wait to shoot it. He's a Marine so I know he's excited :usa: Everyone spreads away from the truck tailgate and Dad says "Hey, I gotta talk to you about something when everyone leaves". I'm thinking of what I could have done to hear those words after all these years of no ass whoopins lol. He slides another rifle case towards the tailgate and starts to open it while speaking "Look, I know you've loved this rifle since you were a kid. I'm sure I'm gonna be happy with this new one. I know you'll appreciate it for what it is, and I know you'll take good care of it. Put it in the truck and take care of it." This is the part where I just stare at the rifle, then stare at Dad in pure disbelief for what seemed like 30 minutes but was in reality probably 2 minutes. If I'd had to guess how I would have reacted I would probably think big smile, screaming with excitement, telling him thank you a hundred times and hugging him and saying I love you and I'll take good care of it. Well, that is NOT what happened, I couldn't say anything, probably mumbled something I'm not sure followed by a "Are you serious or teasing me again?" Well it was real, I didn't touch the gun, I hugged him and thanked him and told him I loved him and that I was glad that he handed it to me and that I didn't have to wait until he was unable to use it anymore to get it. My arms were covered in goosebumps the entire time, he even noticed it and said "Damn, are you okay?" I told him I wasn't sure. I packed it in the truck, still not believing that I was taking it home. Then we got out the SPS's and sighted his in. It was dead on accurate and he was needless to say very excited with it! My brother came down in the field and shot it as well which made it the perfect day! Anyway, sorry it's so long but if someone bought me a Barrett .50 cal tomorrow it would not be a more exciting Show & Tell thread for me. I can't wait to shoot it, try out some different ammo in it, and will definitely be taking it in the woods this year to deer hunt once gun season opens up!! Signed, Happy Ain't The Word

Buds guns meet and greet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well, that's true, but it could be worse I guess

I hope she likes her coffee black too, because banning/confiscation will only accomplish one thing...

Hell yeah man, Id rather a jammed rifle than an IED lol

I like it. I became a benefactor to join in on the buying and selling, and to support the site which I enjoy greatly.

I say go for it. Screw'em.

I am all for it.  Shame away.  The electronic version of putting the bounced checks on the wall behind the cashier.

Zeroed my scope today. Had some issues getting it sighted in, but finally figured out where I was going wrong. This was my group with a handload at 100 yds. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk

I've been studying my match videos this year, and one thing I keep seeing over and over is that my pistol reloads are slow and I do them way too often (10rd mags in a G30). I'm practicing my reload speed, and I can't quite bring myself to give up the .45ACP, so I came across this little gem used yesterday... +4 basepads are coming. 17+1 rds of .45ACP just sounds good!

Tell them you are with TGO

I have wondered about that. And now knowing they are unscripted makes them even better with the quick wit and sarcasm.

Yeah he came up with that on the spot and it was hard not to laugh. We never script any of our videos.

  If you take into account the number of guns he shoots, and the volume of ammo he goes thru, he IS the shooting community. lol

"Diamond flute will win the war on terror," lololol

I wish I had enough great pistols to where I couldn't remember If I had a Browning Hi Power or not.

I'm assuming the OP hopes to put a deer down pretty quick and not have to chase him/her for hundreds of yards through the woods, it's hard to see a 9mm doing that. I always thought if SHTF and I was going to kill a deer on my property, which I see often, I want it to drop as quick as possible. If it doesn't it's on one of my neighbors property. I would probably use a 12 gauge slug from my 870, it would be a close,(30 yard) shot anyway, I should get a good hit.

I would have been all over any $300 S&W! . I think with a little effort your Dan Wesson will go $400-$450.

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Back in the day, drones that people could buy were toys.  With today's digital cameras, they are a peeping tom's wet dream.  I got no problem with someone owning and flying one, but don't expect to fly one in my backyard or be peeking in my windows with one.  I'll warn you the first time and I'll take it out of the sky the next time, if your stupid enough to ignore me.

As of July 1st last year I believe there is no such thing as a blade restriction, of and kind, in TN any more. More experienced members will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure. :-)

10ga shotgun. What not to like!

I think I will be making this trip naked (gun less) unless there are a change of plans, I will have to go inside the beltway for sure and then go to Arlington. Plans can change and I do not want to be a news item or a topic of debate. Thanks for the replies.

I'm considering picking up a M&P 45C.  I was just looking for some input on what I should look for or avoid when it comes to early/late production and safety/no safety. Thanks in advance.

The whole episode I kept thinking they were luring them away to some awesome mass destruction. Then we find out they were just pointing them in another direction and releasing them. The first thing I thought was, well that's a pretty crappy thing to do to whatever band of survivors might be down the road. It would mean certain death for anyone in their path.   It was interesting too how in the trailers leading up to the episode, they made you think one thing, and the actual episode reveals something completely different. For instance the scene with Rick yelling "You think you can take this community away from me?" I thought was either Morgan, or one of the Wolves. Turns out it was much to do about nothing with the guy just talking tough.   I also thought the scene where they were building the walls along the road, and the walkers appeared was interesting. It showed the old locals how much they really need our rag-tag band. They were too scared to even shoot them, much less hand to hand combat. Not sure if Rick was holding back on taking action because he wanted them to learn, or at least try, or if he was wanting to make a point of what they were capable of.

Yeah..pretty soon they will be wanting to wand you at the grocery store, hardware store and the like. That's a load of crap and people better raise hell about it....well level headed people anyway.

Whaaa? My kids and I love that movie. If anything, I interpreted the plot to have a liberty-oriented subtext, as the plot centers around defeating an overbearing, militarized government which seeks to control the individual liberties of its citizens. Plus I do the Batman voice for my kids. Makes them crack up every time. Life is too short to be so serious 24/7. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Wait for it to come out at the Redbox and don't have to worry about being wanded.

Why the hell would anyone put up up with this...?     leroy

Personal reasons. I have been in a fight for control of my weapon. Mine was a revolver and had nothing to do with a magazine disconnect, but I had to hold the hammer down on my weapon to keep the guy from pulling the trigger. I could have gone hands on with the guy, but I couldn’t let go of the gun. Luckily my backup was close and I dealt with it until he arrived. Around the same time a Trooper friend of mine was telling me about another trooper that got in a fight on the interstate, the perp got his gun, but as they were fighting for control the Trooper hit the mag release. The guy knocked the trooper to the ground and was standing over him trying to shoot him but the gun would not fire. As his backup approached from the other direction and saw what was going on, he knew he had little time to act, he fired out the window of his moving squad and dropped the perp dead. The Trooper’s life was saved by a magazine disconnect and incredible luck on an almost impossible shot. Now, my chances of having a hands on encounter as a private citizen are slim. But so are needing a gun and I carry one. You can run through scenarios in your head of what you think you would do, but I have experienced it and seen other Officers experience it; one incident (family fight) ended with two Officers wounded and the perp dead. So to me a magazine disconnect is not a “safety” it is a “feature”. My personal experience makes me want one on any handgun that offers it. I have never had an experience or know anyone that has where a disconnect caused a problem. I have never had the need to pop off a single round that wasn’t loaded from a magazine and I would never continually dry fire a weapon; so that’s not an issue with me. As far as the safety, I wouldn’t want it because I wouldn’t use it. My Shield has one but I don’t use it. I’m not going to remove it as I doubt it would ever be an issue; I just check it every time I put the gun on. Whether you like a particular “feature” or “Safety” or don’t is irrelevant with the M&P line; they let you have it “your way” instead of telling you what you do and do not need.

Either of these would be fun.

  That's what I was thinking. Keep enough in there to keep calling in more, but thin the herd from time to time to keep the risk down. They could come up with any number of ways of killing them other than fire bombing.

I really wish they'd STOP overdubbing the sound of a hammer being cocked whenever someone handles a Glock.