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So I am thinking about starting a TGO Hall of Shame upon which I will post the names of members who have, for various reasons, earned themselves a public shunning.   Extreme?  Hear me out.  :)   Every so often I have to spend an hour or so of my time in email and on the phone fighting to keep $20.  Because every so often someone buys a Benefactor membership here, uses it to post some ads in the Trading Post, and then goes to PayPal and disputes the charge saying that we charged them without authorization.  :rolleyes:   Bear in mind that we do not do automatically recurring subscriptions for this precise reason.  I never want TGO to automatically debit someone's account and be the reason why they overdraft at their bank, or can't buy groceries or put gas in their car.  An unexpected debit could easily cause any of those scenarios to play out.   So when someone buys a Benefactor membership, it's not a mistake.  They did it willingly.  And as most of you know, a Benefactor membership on TGO has some pretty immediate value and perks, the least of which not being the ability to use our Trading Post to post advertisements.  Which means that anyone who summarily demands a refund from PayPal is essentially trying to defraud TGO and "screw the system", so to speak.   And that's why I am tempted to start a Hall of Shame.   Because if you're willing to rip us off, everyone ought to know it.   :shrug:   What do you guys think?    

I wonder if having a minimum post count would help? Don't make it a crazy number but requiring anyone who wants to sell something to have a minimum of 5 or 10 posts would cut down on those who register to dispute them.   Another option could be that staff approves all posts by those who do not have 10 posts.   I think there is a large segment of the population who does not believe it is stealing if it is done on the internet. I have had people try to dispute stuff with me even though I had a no questions asked money back guarantee. But I believe it was never about getting the refund and all about being able to keep what I sold them without paying for it. And if I could have convinced my local LE to I would have prosecuted every single one of them.   I would rather see a hall of shame with all the classic threads where people have lost their minds.

Don't forget to send a few bucks to NRA-ILA, guys.

Must...resist...profiling...

I find it helpful to replace "opinion polls show" with "Americans that still have landlines that answer unsolicited phone calls from numbers they don't recognize think."     It really helps put it all into perspective.

Mine will be to you by the end of this week.  If anyone backs out, they would be perfect candidates for TGO David's new Wall of Shame he's thinking about doing.

I would not want our classifieds hidden from non benefactors. I bet a lot of sales come from non benefactors so hiding the classifieds would only hurt our benefactors.

I like the idea of a Hall of Shame for people who provided so much entertainment value here in threads that lead to them getting banned.     As for people stiffing you,  unless it is real common and not just the occasional act I'd take the high road and file it under the cost of doing business. Karma is a cruel mistress and those people will get theirs someday.  

No, you should ban them. If I understand what you are saying, they know they need to be a benefactor to sell something. So they place the item for sale and then later dispute the charge? Who wants to buy and sell guns with people like that; ban them and call it a day. I’m generally against banning people over BS; buts that’s just plain criminal. You could post who they are though for the entertainment value or in case they sell other places. A lot of us have been benefactors a long time and rarely sell anything.

Yes!  I want to know for the simple fact that it is dishonest behavior and I don't want to do business with someone that would do you and the forum that way.

That old hag needs to shut her damn pie hole. She couldn't be Secretary of State without disaster so I have no idea why anyone would feel she could be a decent POTUS. Then again....look at the loonies that support crap like she's spouting. Honest to God......any moron knows only criminals would have guns if law abiding citizens were stripped of their right. She should frequent more "gun free zones" without her armed security force. Crap like this makes me crazy.

A Federal gun ban would create a new group of criminals overnight. I can’t believe that could get passed through Congress. Of course Hillary would do it if she could; so would Obama. Neither of them gives a damn about the United States Constitution or an individual’s right to self-defense, and couldn’t care less if they violate it.

Black lives only matter when white people are involved. When black people kill black people, it is not news because it does not support the narrative. In fact, it's racist to even bring this up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I went to the Green Hills theater today to watch Sicario(which was awesome), and I saw staff wanding people looking for weapons before a special viewing. I was disturbed by this and spoke to a cop there. I asked him where the signage was banning weapons from the premises? I looked everywhere and not a one sign in sight. The manager said, "I think we have one somewhere...." Yeah, that wand is gonna do a lot of good when a psycho goes out the unguarded exit door in the theater and gets weapons. Rolling my eyes at that.. The cop didn't know dick about proper signs or anything like that. I don't think he fully understood anything. I'm preaching to the choir here, but I was annoyed by it all. Just had to get it off my chest.

I don't know how to start this. Very emotional topic but i feel that i can share it here among folks who would understand. A couple months ago, my great uncle (87) passed away after a battle with cancer. He was a U.S. Army veteran of the Korean War and distinguished himself with meritorious service with the 45th Infantry Division. He was awarded the bronze star along with other medals and was honorably discharged in 1956.   He was like a third grandfather. Due to geographical challenges, he was much closer to me than many other family members. He taught me how to shoot. My first round was fired on his farm in the hills of North East TN.   Before he passed, i expressed to my grandmother how much one particular gun in his collection meant to me. It was a 9mm. When i shot it around age 10, i had no idea of the significance. When my grandmother inquired about this gun on my behalf, she was told that it had been sold. Over the years, the gun in question served by my great uncles right hand. It was the gun found under the newspaper on the coffee table. He had many guns but this one was special to him. As i aged, he finally told me the story of the "9mm." This particular gun was brought back from Germany after WWII by a friend of his. It was a German P-38.    After he passed, i would have been pleased with the opportunity to purchase any of his guns from the family. Unfortunately, that opportunity never came. However, my grandmother called me tonight and everything changed. She told this story to another family member only to find out that he had purchased the gun from my great uncle. He graciously gave the firearm to her for me to pick up. For this i cannot thank him enough. It's not only a damn cool piece of history--it's a family heirloom that i will treasure as long as i live.   I don't think i can say anything to this individual to express how much i appreciate the generosity shown during a very tough time. I greatly miss my uncle and my friend but i this gesture will allow me to keep his memories close whenever i pick up this firearm.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5UevdKIk4

..and his oral sex comment. I laughed pretty hard at that.

Alright Gentlemen, The Knives have been officially ordered and Protech will start to build them very soon, I am trusting all of you that committed to buy these that have not already paid to do so by the end of this month as we agreed on,

I don't like the wall of shame because of potential liability issues. The person doesn't have to be in the legal "right" to file a court action. People can (and do) file for frivolous or other reasons. Imagine some anti-gun poster with the legal support of some anti-gun group doing this specifically to get posted on the wall so they could file a slander lawsuit, for example. It's not worth the hassle, in my opinion.    I'd suggest that posting an ad requires 1) At least 30 days of membership to include at least 20 real posts. (No "Me too" or multiple posts to that in your opinion, are made just to pad the post count. 2) An upgrade to benefactor.    There may be some better policies at other gun groups. I'd suggest checking them out.

saw Smith on TD for a moment, I was amazed at how much weight he has lost.   LOL'd at his Clerks comment.

Why the hell did the police need bayonets?

Hope the neighbors won't mind when I do mine. :pleased:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n9Ebx-bXLI

    Sure that's feasible.  If you're hunting in the woods in east TN, its tough to get a shot much beyond 75 yds anyway.   The SKS will have 3-4x more energy, plus its just a cool old milsurp.    The SKS is a "gateway" gun.  They're fairly plentiful, inexpensive, easy and fun to shoot.  You'll get one and think... you know, this is a pretty cool old gun.  Before long, all sorts of cool old guns will begin to appear... 91/30's, K31's, Mausers, 1903's, Enfields,  ...  :)

  It's always refreshing when Carol gets to bare her teeth.   - OS

Do it! Maybe even consider some retroactive hall of fame alumni. I can think of a few thieves, crooks and general douche bags worth mentioning.

Your house, your rules, shame them. Might make a new member wait 30 or so days, have a number of posts before posting something for sale.

How sorry can a guy be? Wow. I'd like to know who people like this are so I won't have the misfortune of trying to deal with them.

I am all for it.  Shame away.  The electronic version of putting the bounced checks on the wall behind the cashier.

Flying Southworst a fella probably needs a couple stiff drinks.

The very first high powered rifle I shot as a kid was my Dad's Savage Model 99e in .308 Win. Of course even then, it was amazing to watch my Dad shoot it, and train my younger brother and I the correct and safe way to handle weapons. I loved shooting his Rem 870, his Super Blackhawk .44 mag, his Security Six .357, his multiple .22 lr rifles and the Stevens 20 gauge single shot that was our first "my own" gun. But there was always "something" about that Savage. At that point in my life, I didn't have a favorite type of rifle as in bolt action vs lever action so I know it didn't have anything to do with my affection for this particular 99. I think most of it was just because it was Dad's, but a lot was because I watched him re-checker it and change the stock from the darker color to the almost blonde color that it has been most of it's life. In my 20's I slipped into the work, chase girls, drink beer, and hanging with friends mode. So my hunting and shooting days were very few and far between, something I regret to this day. As I entered my 30's all of that faded away and hunting & shooting became part of my desires again. Dad and I talked guns and ammo talk more than we ever had, and I'd missed that. Somewhere along the way I'd started messing with him saying "Dad, you know that ole Savage is just gathering dust. You need me to take care of it for you? <insert laugh>". He'd always come back with one of a hundred responses ranging from "I think I'm gonna get it out and clean it" to "You know, I believe I'm gonna deer hunt with that this year" and the occasional "Oh, you'll get it one of these days". The latter being the one that worried me because I didn't want to get it the way most children get their parents weapons, in a will. But the jokes have continued all this time and even in texts: "Dad, just wanted to see if y'all were coming down this weekend .308" or I'd text him and say "I have break coming up, call me at 3:08" and always made for good laughs but to no avail haha. Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago and Dad began asking about my Rem 700 SPS Tactical .308 and talking about getting one. We talked stock and optic options as well as pricing variances. I began online shopping and sending him info on different ways he could go. He came in town this past Tuesday to visit with us while my brother and his family were in town from San Diego. He'd also picked up my new bow and brought it in with him so I met him at Bass Pro after work and we talked a lot and looked at some rifles while shooting the crap about life happenings. We left empty handed, which never happens with us, and we'd decided to go to local gun shops on Thursday and Friday for more shopping and hands on. He ended up buying the SPS Wednesday while I was at work, so shopping was done haha. He had them mount his base, rings, and his Leupold scope when he picked it up. I told him that we'd sight it in Saturday while we were having a family get together in Whites Creek. Saturday morning comes and I've packed up a couple AR's and my Rem 700, a ton of ammo and targets for a day of shooting that I've been waiting for a LONG time. One with my brother and Dad being there at the same time. With my brother being in S.D. it's rare to have the time and place availability for us to shoot together. I show up at my sister's place, start unloading everything before Dad gets there and he pulls in shortly after. I meet him at the back of his truck and we're looking at his new rifle, as he grins and tells me he can't wait to shoot it. He's a Marine so I know he's excited :usa: Everyone spreads away from the truck tailgate and Dad says "Hey, I gotta talk to you about something when everyone leaves". I'm thinking of what I could have done to hear those words after all these years of no ass whoopins lol. He slides another rifle case towards the tailgate and starts to open it while speaking "Look, I know you've loved this rifle since you were a kid. I'm sure I'm gonna be happy with this new one. I know you'll appreciate it for what it is, and I know you'll take good care of it. Put it in the truck and take care of it." This is the part where I just stare at the rifle, then stare at Dad in pure disbelief for what seemed like 30 minutes but was in reality probably 2 minutes. If I'd had to guess how I would have reacted I would probably think big smile, screaming with excitement, telling him thank you a hundred times and hugging him and saying I love you and I'll take good care of it. Well, that is NOT what happened, I couldn't say anything, probably mumbled something I'm not sure followed by a "Are you serious or teasing me again?" Well it was real, I didn't touch the gun, I hugged him and thanked him and told him I loved him and that I was glad that he handed it to me and that I didn't have to wait until he was unable to use it anymore to get it. My arms were covered in goosebumps the entire time, he even noticed it and said "Damn, are you okay?" I told him I wasn't sure. I packed it in the truck, still not believing that I was taking it home. Then we got out the SPS's and sighted his in. It was dead on accurate and he was needless to say very excited with it! My brother came down in the field and shot it as well which made it the perfect day! Anyway, sorry it's so long but if someone bought me a Barrett .50 cal tomorrow it would not be a more exciting Show & Tell thread for me. I can't wait to shoot it, try out some different ammo in it, and will definitely be taking it in the woods this year to deer hunt once gun season opens up!! Signed, Happy Ain't The Word

Basically same thing happening at our place. Land and cell lines have been getting a few of these intrusive calls. But on the up side...I spent a good hour watching all the BBC clips. And had a great time.

DO IIIIITTTTT!!! Mainly because I'm like 12 and love to see the drama. Otherwise it's probably a waste of your already limited time.

I guess I'll go pull the guns out of the safe and put ammo in there instead. :ugh:

PM me your mailing addy and I'll get something out to you in a few days.   Dave

Tony from Strategic Edge sent out an email earlier today as the victim was a well known member of SE.  Goes to show it can happen to anyone.  I admit I probably don't pay attention as much as I should at times, but this makes you re-evaluate your surroundings more carefully, at least for a while.

I'll try to have mine to you tonight. Thanks for the reminder.

I'll try to get mine to you this afternoon when I get off work. I'm too much of a procrastinator sometimes.

I saw this and bugged out! Can I come out of my bunker yet? :panic:

There are so many ways to look at this. first and foremost, it's your decision. So do what is best for you.   I am of mixed feelings on this. I really would like to see some restrictions on the ability to buy and sell here. Or at least restrict the ability to see the classifieds until having met a minimum number of posts as some other forums do.   For example, the TaurusArmed forum restricts access to sales info until 50 posts have been reached. That at least will show a bit of interest in the forum and maybe weed out some of the rif-raf. Because that takes time to do, it will slow down and stop some.   I can't post names for examples, but I have run across other forums with some form of requirement before buying and selling.   If you do decide to post anything about these people, I would vote in favor of a list showing screen name, actual name, and type of infraction with a date associated with it. Long explanations would not be necessary, I think.   My only question is whether or not some form of violation of implied privacy would cause issues for you. I mean since we use a screen name rather than our actual names, does this enter into some legal area that could be trouble? Since our full information, such as names and address(?), I think, is taken at the point we registered to have access, does that imply a restriction, legally or otherwise, on your part to not release said info?   As the site owner, you, and I think the admin help you have; do have access to this information. but does that allow you to put it out for all to see?    That, I think, is the big issue.   Overall, I believe I would favor some form of what you suggest. For your protection as well as ours.   In the 6 years I've been here, I've met many great people, and had only two questionable transaction with a member.   One was more my fault for not backing out than the sellers, but it did get into some misrepresentation issues. Then there was one real liar, being courteous to him at that, from my first dealing with the buying aspects. But he has long ago disappeared.   So...I say it's your site, do what you are comfortable with. If I, or anyone else doesn't like it; we have the option to leave.

If you board a plane, and this is your cabin crew, rethink your travel plans.

This is for all the old timers in here..RIP ...Joe I've wore this record out ...lol   This is also a version I like of this song...waylon done a great job of it.   https://youtu.be/CyZKfUrK0Hs

  Those were all over spending issues, related to either sequestration, or members of the authorization and appropriations committees/subcommittees funding projects in their districts the Defense Department didn't ask for, or wanted cut.  This year the threat is over Republicans wanting to beef up defense spending by putting what is estimated to be an extra $38 billion into the overseas contingency operations fund as a workaround to budget caps currently in place from sequestration.  The Obama administration isn't willing to move away from sequestration until defense and non-defense spending caps are altered in unison.   I doubt the 1911 transfer to the CMP is even a factor in the negotiations unless some district will see a financial bump from it.

Hall of Shame is pretty legit. ProfessionalSoldiers has the "Your Rucksack Is In The Hall" (not a good thing to hear btw) for people who fail to follow simple instructions/screw the system. And some honorable mentions of how to be a total moron like DamYankee or Gecko45. Its good comedy and serves as an example - and builds cohesion through adversity lol. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk

I like it. I became a benefactor to join in on the buying and selling, and to support the site which I enjoy greatly.

I say go for it. Screw'em.

This is a recent article written about Australia's point of view verses America comparing the two and Australia's saying their gun laws would never work in the United States for many reasons. It is a long article so read it when you have time. I read it all. The last few paragraphs are the most interesting about facts.   http://www.thefederalist.com/2015/06/25/the-australia-gun-control-fallacy/

Maybe Hillary should live by example and give up her lifetime provided by the US taxpayer Secret Service protection to encourage others to give up guns.  Until that happens, I wouldn't take her very seriously.  Hillary has a do as I say not as I do mentality. 

Picked up a bottle of this tonight. I really like it. Smooth and slow heat build up in the back of your throat and nose. Not sure if it is worth the extra over the Reserve but it is a nice sippin bourbon.

  I wish I could find the video, it may have been on "Impossible Shots" but Jerry takes an M&P 15-22, fires three shots at a steel target 75 yards, fires all 3 before the first hits the steel. POW POW POW,,,DING DING DING. Jerry isn't human.

Yeah..pretty soon they will be wanting to wand you at the grocery store, hardware store and the like. That's a load of crap and people better raise hell about it....well level headed people anyway.

                You sound like a guy who has never made a mistake.  Please tell us what it's like living a perfect life.  Does it get annoying having all of those people following you around asking you to show them how you walk on water or change water into wine, or do you leverage the modern advances of social media and demonstrate the miraculous via YouTube?   Because, buddy, if you think you are so far removed from the possibility of ever having to walk in the shoes of the OP, you might be setting yourself up for a big dose of karma.  There's  an old saying a friend of mine was prone to utter in cases like this:  There, but by the grace of God, go I.   How many more rocks do you have in that pile behind you to throw?