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How about this.... 1. Do you think people should be able to give away or sell their own personal property without asking the government for permission (if so you DON'T believe in universal background checks). 2. Do you believe that it is OK for the Govt to deny people their constitutional rights without due process? (If not then you DON'T believe in keeping people on the TSA no fly list from buying a gun) 3. Do you believe in the fundamental right of every man woman and child to defend themselves from unlawful violence? If you answered no you are an idiot. If you answered yes then go to 3B.... 3B. If so then do you believe that the old, infirm, physically weak should be able to efficiently and effectively defend themselves from younger bigger , stronger multiple attackers? If so then you are NOT anti gun becasue semi auto fire arms with standard capacity magazines is the best way for weaker victims to defend themselves from multiple attackers. 4. Do you believe only the govt and police should have firearms? If so you are NOT "anti gun"....you are anti freedom, and pro totalitarianism and an enabler of mass genocide. You believe that ordinary people INCLUDING YOURSELF do not have the common sense or ability to safely handle and use inanimate objects without accidentally (or maliciously) hurting others. As such only people who are employed by the state somehow are given special powers that other people do not have to somehow make them "safe" to possess these "evil" objects. The problem is historically that when only the government has them...the government ceases to be subservient to the people and you see genocide and ethnic cleansing like Cuba, Cambodia, USSR, Germany, the former Yugoslavia Etc......

If it was my daughter all I'd want would be the guy's name and address.

I'm pretty sure I have the primary "social" rifle dialed in just like I want it. 10.5" 5.56:

I think that the politics is an important part of TGO, and I know I'd find myself logging into TGO less if it was gone. I come here with the intent on seeing differing opinions, and a place like this, where the argument is much more thought out than elsewhere is a huge bonus to me. We debate with passion, but I think it's better for the site as a whole. It's also worth noting, that we probably have a higher percentage among our membership than the population at large that is politically engaged, it being a natural inclination for gun owners and all. As to the proportion of general politics to gun chat...I know for myself, there is only so much to talk about with guns or gun related issues. If I get more than one new gun a year, it's been a spending spree, and as a college student, I don't have the recurring income to hit the range or take any classes with the frequency I might wish. Plus, when it comes to the gun content, I find myself reading more and posting less, since my knowledge is paltry compared to others on things like relics, and any other gun style besides the AR, which I'm knowledgeable enough to comment on. Politics, Legal Issues, and General Chat give me a chance to participate more. So, I think we should keep non-gun related areas. If nothing else, it lets "the regulars" here engage in conversation and serves as another way to build a sense of community here.

The answer to your query is "quite willing". The left is not the friend to free speech that they have portrayed themselves to be. As they have gained control of the public sphere (starting with academia) they have increasingly sought to prohibit or outright criminalize contrary or unpopular speech by classifying it as "hate speech". It has been easy to miss if one hasn't paid attention to what has been happening on college campuses and their love affair with "trigger warnings" and "safe spaces" but it is about the control of what is considered allowable speech. The battle on campus has been all but won and the full court press is on to spread it outward into the rest of the public sphere. Freedom of of expression for all is vital when you are in the minority. It's dangerous when you've claimed the majority.

The political rhetoric is a turn off for a lot of folks. From the conversations I've had with members, they're tired of the hate. Even people who like reasoned discourse get tired of being blasted when they refuse to blindly support the GOP candidate. And, this is a gun forum. You'd think the majority of the traffic might relate to guns.

(Polled) post Pulse Shooting agree we need stronger gun control. From a Soundbite, last week, Hilary If true, 90% is a huge number, you and i would be getting confiscation notices by now. Another example of liars figure but figures don't lie. If you were asked the question, "do we need to keep firearms out of the hands of terrorists?" Yes or no. If yes, you are for more gun control. And so the headline is born.

You'd have lots of company

I like the TGO Tumbler myself

This site has been heavy on political since I have been a member, except when all political discussion was banished to the hive. I'm one of the blind ones, I suppose. A Republican has a big weighting factor with me because they like guns. But, blind is pretty moderate compared to what I have been called by some liberals. So, I figure I'm still home.

Posting something on social media has gotten some folks on the no-fly/terrorist watch lists. Doesn't necessarily have to be a threat.

I know we need to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists. (Kind of a dumb azz question) But I’m not for gun control; I’m for terrorist control.

I think everyone just needs to pretend to be an adult. If you're so dogmatic that you can't stomach a dissenting opinion either ignore or block the thread. Man up guys.

Believe me, I have spoken with several of the moderators numerous times over the past few years about potentially jettisoning all political conversations that have nothing to do with the Second Amendment from the forum entirely. Some folks on TGO seem to be oblivious to the idea that the right to bear arms crosses both sides of the political aisle and that a gay Democrat from New York can be just as passionate about her right to own an AR-15 as a barrel-chested, corn-fed Republican country boy who served two tours in Afghanistan and presently works in the oil fields of Texas to support his wife and 2.5 kids is. We are all supposed to be here to talk about firearms, the Second Amendment, shooting stuff for fun, and using these inanimate objects we all like as means to teach responsibility, put food on the table, keep us from taking up golf on the weekends, and protecting ourselves from those who would do us harm. I think if we stuck to talking about those things, we'd probably pick up a lot of traffic again. Come to think of it, I may have just talked myself into making that a policy change for TGO. Do we really need this place to be yet another damned fountain of political vitriol on the Internet? Unless it's directly related to Second Amendment issues, I think the answer to that is... NEEDS to be... NO.

seems like every time McCain opens his mouth he gets lower and lower with me

For myself, I have chose to only comment in certain things because in my opinion, honestly, subjects of a certain nature cause some really ugly conversations. I read threads sometimes and I want to contribute, but then I stop because I know certain members will disagree and then to have to debate back and forth for a simple idea or thought is just not worth it. Also, while I share the views of many of you, I've noticed that certain people have gotten ridiculous on certain posts and it's just not worth associating myself with a thread when I feel like it's borderline hateful. On the bright side, met another member today. Monkey and I were both happy to get to stop and talk to him for a bit. But for me, I'm selective on what I discuss or participate in.

I love this place! I believe it is my second home.

Got mine today, excellent quality shirt

Wow, that's a bunch of ..... AR propaganda.[emoji6] AR's are like trophy wives. The best they look is when they aren't yours. Expensive to maintain. Require immediate and constant upgrades and accessories. Need constant attention (maintenance) or they get whiny. The older they get the worse they look. AK's are the girl next door. They get better looking with age, don't complain, and always get the job done. Here's my go to! Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk

Did you try sliding it on from the charging handle side of the receiver? I had that problem with an upper once and it went on fine from the CH side, but not the 'muzzle' side. Worth trying. I want a .50 AR. 5.56 for when you need to take on a truck load of guys, .50 for when you need to take on the truck itself...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/20/this-was-30-minutes-of-hell-for-this-young-lady-unaccompanied-minor-groped-on-flight/ Heads, walls, spikes...metaphorically of course. The pedo's for sure, and probably the crew for missing what is about the biggest red alert klaxon of a warning sign that this guy was a sicko. Traveling on a plane alone is something you need to prepare a kid for. That girl should have been screaming and swinging...her parents seem to have failed her there, IMO.

Got mine in the mail today. Looks great. Thanks David. Got a gun show in the 'Boro this coming weekend, good time to break it in. That's R.K. Shows BTW

The new site is working fine for me. I may not use many of the bells and whistle anyway because I tend to read a lot more than I post. I browse the classifieds, and some of the other categories and get in on the chat room some evenings. As for traffic, lately I have noticed it seemed down or maybe just not many threads that got my attention. Political discussion has a place here on TGO but it needs to remain just that, discussion, nobody wants to be personally attacked or told who they should be voting for. Many thanks to David and the mods for keeping TGO running smooth.

I agree....the left portrays themselves as reasonable...that is until you don't agree with them. Then they will shout you down until they drown out your freedom. Oh and that word academia...it makes me sick. And just so you know...I was being facetious about the post in the first place. Internet humor and sarcasm isn't what it used to be.

If I had to guess, the primary reason is because the court isn't at nine members, and that's not just for gun cases, since the court is taking cases at a slower pace overall recently. Secondary reasons could be waiting for the public debate to die down, as John Roberts doesn't want the court to take up an issue being debated in Congress. The case in the 4th Circuit about Maryland's ban could also be making him wait to see if there is a split in circuit opinions that would make taking the cases more of an interpretive, or two circuit rulings one way that don't justify taking a case absent certiorari .

Please explain how you can have all gun sales/transfers go through a background check, IF you want true enforcement of the law, without knowing "who has what". I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just not seeing it.

I don't mind the politics, as long as it's related to 2A, weapons, CCW, or SD issues etc, it belongs here. The problem is that some don't know how to keep it from getting personal, I'm sure it keeps moderators busy. As this is a post about traffic, I'm not sure there is a correlation with these topics and less (or more) traffic. You can always choose what topics to look at or respond to, but I do feel some just make it too personal; it's just not that serious.

I don't know about anyone else, but I see background checks just like the GCA; gun control. So in my case it's not that I support background checks, it's that I tolerate them. But I am hard pressed to see any other way to keep guns away from criminals. The thing is, background checks, tax stamps, and CCW permits have become a way to put money into the system, otherwise why not make it free? Why a bg check for each purchase vs per person? Why a bg check when you have a CCW, Military, LEO, have a Security Clearance? Why can't you have prohibited weapons without a $200 tax? Does $200 make you less likely to commit heinous acts? No, it's all about control, nothing else.

This isn't a one side or the other poll, the questions were inside the national Quinnipiac poll that addressed a whole bunch of issues. They're a neutral arbiter in these things. Sampling is always the best you can get, and I think they made a good effort to get a wide cross section of opinion when they took this poll (it was from 2014). From June 24 - 30, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,446 registered voters nationwide with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones. The Quinnipiac University Poll, directed by Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D., conducts public opinion surveys in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Iowa, Colorado and the nation as a public service and for research. And if you look at the questions, the 90% figure is for background checks for all purchases, which a lot of people don't see as "gun control regulation," myself included to give you someone you know (well, internet know anyway) who supports it. The "stricter gun control" question was split 50/47/3 which is a tie with the margin of error included. This poll wasn't manipulated, it's the reporting on it that is questionable...ie: the media doesn't go in depth about the split on "stricter gun control."

McCain is a lite Democrat, so this does not surprise me.

These politicians blame guns because they are too weak to go after the terrorists head on and the terrorists just laugh at our country and keep doing their evil.

Sounds like Federal Automatch and I haven't had anything bad to say about those rounds.

Vortex PST 1-4 retails for $499 so it's a little over your stated range unless you find it on sale. I have one, and I think it's worth every penny. Or... Vortex Crossfire II 1-4 $225 on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Crossfire-1-4x24mm-Riflescope-CF2-31037/dp/B00HYRGODO I've never tried this one, but I would like to try it for the price. I'm a HUGE Vortex fan. I've been really impressed with their quality. I use a SPAC and the PST in 3gun. I've never had a problem even in the rain. My AR with the PST is sub MOA at 200yds with a QD AD-RECON mount. I'll also add that the PST appears to be true 1x for close range, both eyes open shooting. The illuminated recticle is not "daylight bright" in full sun, but the etched recticle is still easily visible.

I hear that crap all the time from the left, so I am just guessing I am of the 10% that was not asked.

Agreed. It's a sad day if PC invades TGO, lol.

Another nerd in training.

Is there an option for some members to be able to block certain sub-forums (i.e, political threads) if they are that easily offended? Surely if someone clicks on a thread in the political section they understand that there will be different opinions. I'm a little confussed because I haven't really witnessed many remarks that would keep people away. I enjoy the perspective of both sides and all the members, and I think the current election process will directly affect the future of the 2A. As far as the upgrade... I like it! I really liked the old site too, but the new one is just as great. Change happens, and it's important to keep up with the latest software.

I'll add my 2cents. I believe there are several reasons. One is the new format which some folks probably haven't put forth the effort to get back on here. I think it's fine personally and am still learning to use it. Another is the price of ammo, this is a big factor for many. I know I don't shoot nearly as much as I used to. Heck, I barely shoot at all these days. I don't like talking about firearms when the current situation pisses me off. Which leads to another, times are tough. I don't mean like Clinton or Carter years tough, things are way worse than many realize. For some reason we avoid reality on here, I'm sure there's many reasons, but we do. Might as well go somewhere that talks about the wonderful effects that are saving the unicorn and where love prevails over terror. We can ignore reality but we cannot ignore the results of ignoring reality. The results are starting to show their head and we will all have poop on us when it hits the fan. Lastly, I believe at this point, everyone is either a conservative or a liberal. Because conservatives have compromised for so long that anyone in between enables the liberals. As such, for a conservative it is a complete waste of time to engage the Libs. The left has divided and spewed hate for so long, nearly everything is negative. Wages are down, taxes are up, utilities, food, insurance, costs of all goods. Reality. Not to mention the seemingly effective takeover of this countries being. Not to sound pessimistic, just real. Of course I could be wrong, perhaps most people are out shooting and having a good time. I'm going to go dust off my unused firearms now.

I think some people are passionate about supporting the GOP candidate because the alternative this time around would push to have this very site shut down. I must have a thicker skin then most folks because TGO seems to have very civilized discussions comparred to other forums. The politcal discussions are very much related to guns, IMO because the gov is actively trying to restrict our gun rights. Anyway, TGO is a great community. I predict the traffic will increase as we inch toward November.

I have used them in a couple of builds, and have another that I am about to start. So far, I haven't had any issues with durability, hole size, etc.

The rail on the upper receiver is a little thicker than normal so I'm gonna have to work on the rear sight before I can put it into position.

Followup: Like right now, I'm off and on getting 8-10 second lag from click to response, 2-4 the rest of the time. Can't just be me, everything else is lickedty split like normal? - OS

Somethings you can just set your clock to. Dolo will mangle a digit, OS will have an adventure walking to the Y. It's the closest thing to tradition we have.

Never had any issues with privi ammo or brass

Maybe they would allow them to be distributed to the gay and lesbian community, looks like they are going to need it.

The SKS was widely used in Vietnam. The NVA had them and the Viet Cong used whatever they could find. The SKS cost more to produce than the AK. The AK was junk. A lot of Mosins were also used. Probably the other way around. The SKS was a better, more accurate rifle than the AK. The leader and the snipers would probably have SKS’s if they had them. Mosins and 03 Springfields were also common sniper rifles. Everything available was used in Vietnam. The Viet Cong were scavenger forces; they used whatever they had or could take. The same thing today in Afghanistan; plenty of old azz rifles there. They use what they can get.

So we have innocent people that are on these lists unjustly that cannot seem to get themselves removed. We also have the Orlando Shooter that was investigated by the FBI who later dropped the case and this person was also on these lists and later removed. The LISTS aren't working and have proven totally unreliable. they should be getting rid of these lists while developing better surveillance means of tracking terrorists and leave the rights of the law abiding citizen's access to the firearm of his/her choice alone. Like someone said....we're not suppose to judge Islam by the actions of this guy, but it's ok to judge all gun owners by the actions of this same guy. It seems that lack of sleep from worrying about ways to get re-elected has fried the brains of those in Washington.

I don't remember ever seeing one of his videos on TGO but I'm becoming a fan. Colion Noir is an African-American gun rights activist, lawyer, member of the National Rifle Association, and the host of the web series Noir on the NRA's online video channel NRA Freestyle.