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One of my favorite firearms, and the one most often shot, is a Model 18 Smith and Wesson 22LR revolver. Most people, for whatever reason, will buy cheap 22. Don't. Get one you'll enjoy shooting. They are good, inexpensive practice. They are also good for introducing new shooters to the sport. Cheap ammo, low noise, and low recoil while maintaining the accuracy of their centerfire brethren make a quality 22 handgun well worth owning.

With how much China owns in the US one might say they are tending to their business. Not a happy thought by any means.

1934: My Dad was born, today he's 87, when I call I always ask him how he's doing, he reply's I'm still breathing and I reply keep doing what your doing, I'm your biggest fan and cheerleader, your giving me good data, keep it up!!!

Sounds like both or you learned a valuable lesson

I believe China is not only a problem to us but also to the world! China needs to mind Chinas business.

Wishing you all a Happy New Year and a solid "Good Riddance" to 2020. Here's to hoping that 2021 is infinitely better!

Hell Yeah! I'm ready! In fact, I'd welcome it. Bout damned time there was some intelligent life on this rock.

I was going to say something not so nice, but my better senses have kicked in. I would like to say that I am at least glad some of you have got it, but I’m not. For those of us paying for all of this and getting Zero, my condolences.

Get yourself a dash cam with panorama all around the inside of the car. Not that I'm giving legal advice but if you need to involve the police be the first to call, and always say up front YOU were attacked. Don't mention guns. Someone ripping your door open or banging on your car is an attack. They showed they meant to do you harm. Edit: a good peice of advice i was given (or atleast i think its good) if you can drive. Drive. If they get out of their car drive off. Through them around them whatever. Drive off. If they're trying to enter your vehicle report it as an attack. My girlfriend and I have a rehersed plan where if anything were to happen she records with my phone and calls 911 with hers. She says its an attack and where we are and keeps them up to date as long as im dealing with whatever the "it" is. The other thing I think is important is to always act as though you're being filmed. If a jury watched this happen as movie who's side would they be on?

And night vision.

This may be one of the best threads on TGO I've read in over six and a half years hanging out on this site. Very cool to be able to read the vignette and replies presented. @MarkSas others have said, thank you for being so open and self-reflecting on the incident. We're learning from the benefit of your experience and the conversation it sparked. It's a great benefit to all of us. I think you handled it as well as can be expected when presented with a threat. I also think you have a lesson learned on flipping people off, But these are two separate points in my mind since your actions don't lend any sort of justification to the person's actions in response. Giving the guy a warning may well have had a butterfly effect that kept him alive, and you out of legal hell. I hope for their sake it was a wake-up call about how to live with others...but I'll not get my hopes up. I'm also grateful to learn about these what you experienced with the vehicle lock...I'm still driving a Ford Ranger I bought in 2002, so that a door will unlock after putting the vehicle in park is (disturbing) news to me. Glad there is a way to fix that after purchase.

Thank you all for the discussion, as I have learned from the group. I hope this never happens to any member, and can now from experience say, "Turn the other cheek", as legally I might of been justified, the reality would have set in that my one finger salute set in motion the events that took a life. Even though the other party played a part, and had no business trying to come into the car, I am responsible personally, even if not legally, for my actions, and testament. I hope this experience, can be used as a lesson, and maybe save a member from being put in a similar situation, or having to live with a decision.

Just a thought here. Had you not flipped the guy off, would the rest of the scenario have played out as it did? I'm generally a pretty calm man, but having someone say "FU" to my face, through words or gestures, really, REALLY ticks me off. Frustrations can be high in heavy traffic, and sometimes a simple thing like waving the guy on by, right of way or not, can diffuse a situation such as you describe. FAR better, in my opinion, to avoid the confrontation in the first place. A honked horn is one thing, a bullet in the chest another. Mind you, I am NOT excusing the passenger's actions. If someone tries to get into my car my reaction will be similar to yours, but what I am saying is that your gesture contributed.

Hi, and welcome to TGO! Unless you manufactured the ammunition yourself for sale, there should be no issues with selling factory ammunition to a private party in TN. Ed

Welcome to the group and to answer your question, No

Carpet baggers, burglars, six of one...

I think China has more invested into the US political class then anyone not in the "club" knows. So much in fact I think if you were to just tell someone it would be considered a "conspiracy theory".

finally got on one this year. was able to shoot a decent bodied 3 point on public land. my first deer in TN and only my 3rd deer ever so i am happy. just a few more days left!

For us, either apply it to the rape of the people property tax increase by our beloved Mayor John Cooper...or...add to our stock of food supplies.

I'm just cracking up over slapping someone in the face with a handgun. If it was a 1911 the guy would probably be dead now.

Well this pretty much sums up my feelings about this... After 2020, all I can say is Hang On! But I certainly wish everyone and Blessed and truly Happy New Year!

I thank you for this excellent post. You have made a lot of us here think about and discuss a potentially life altering event that could happen at anytime to anyone of us.

I’ve read and have made the statement myself on this forum more than a few times that the last thing I’d ever want to do is to have to shoot someone. I really feel it would change many things about our/my immediate life and also thereafter. I do carry though, deep concealment always and at other times I carry in other various ways. I carry not to show the world that I have a gun, or to make me a badass in my own mind, but purely to be prepared to defend the life of my wife, myself and any loved ones I am with should a major threat arise to our lives. I think for the statement I started with to be true, It’s my duty to overlook the hotheads, the stupid drivers that cut me off or blow their horn at some short sighted event they perceive I caused in their life. If they take it upon themselves to “teach me a lesson” physically, well then it’s game on.

Happy New Year! I have a feeling that 2020 was just practice for 2021!

I watched a news special the other night about the Broken Juvenile Legal system and it is not broken. It is almost non-existent. Some Officers have arrested a Juvenile for possession of a stolen fire arm at 7PM and arrested him 4 hours later and he had another gun when they arrested him the second time. He was released at 7:30 to his mother and she said he never went in the house but took off soon as she stopped her car at home. The police said that the system is just a swinging door. The singer that was killed during a car hijacking was shot by a 13 year old that had 5 prior arrests with 3 of them for stolen gun violations during the commission of a felony armed robbery. He was arrested with 3 friends for the murder and he is the only one still locked up and his mother said she hopes they try him as an adult and he gets a long prison sentence. During the report it was said that the zip code for north Nashville and Madison area has more juvenile arrests than any other place in America. Now with that said, if an officer shoots and kills one during the commission of a crime they want to hang the officer for doing his job!!! They asked one officer if he had any idea how to fix the problem and he said yes, just 1. Pass a law the permitted people the right to use deadly legal force to protect their property without fear of prosecution and it would take a short time and you would begin to see the numbers go down pretty quick. He said until you put some fear in these young people that they can be killed by the property owner they will continue to do as they please because they don't fear being arrested.

I belong to the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Net. 360-978-5200. They have a good program (IMO the best benefit for the money)for those who join and the cost is much more likeable. Call and talk to them. It is not insurance but they do the same as others insurance companies. I pay 85.00 per year and I think the first year is a little higher. I been a member for years, and consider it just like homeowners insurance. My advice on your incident, forget the one finger salute next time. You did well except for that one item. glad it turned out for the best. A lot of hotheads out there who are wearing a chip on their shoulders this-day-in-time. "Best to turn the other cheek", if possible, then go on your way. Edited to ADD; Call ACLDN 360-978-5200 and ask them for a copy of a short booklet, "What Every Gun Owner Needs to Know About Self-Defense Law." They will send it to you at NO charge to you, and with NO obligation. The book is one of the best I have seen to be a short education on self defense law. ITS FREE GUYS. 20 pages of great info. MarkS, you can weigh your incident with true knowledge on the S D Law. You can see why your salute could be detrimental to your case. Get the book guys. FREE

According to him it will be a busy day. Personally I think after all the inauguration festivities; he’ll go back and nap the rest of the day and not do anything. But as you say, we shall see.

I came to the same conclusion after contemplating, as a knee jerk reaction caused a unnecessary situation. Definitely have to own my own faults, as a traffic dispute is not worth a life, but listed that detail for full disclosure and discussion.

The rest of the story.... We were told at closing by the prior owners that they had placed the rebar. One of my friends tripped over one of the posts while helping us move in and got a nice gash in his shin, which highlighted the problem. We considered a fence, but having just bought the house, and spending 2 months paying rent and a mortgage while repainting and replacing floors in the evenings, we didn't have the cash. And I don't really like fences anyway. I offered to swap the rebar for PVC and he refused. I covered the rebar with PVC, he sawed the PVC in half and left it in my mailbox. Through the course of all this, he never even asked what my name was. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, mine is that using 5 rebar posts to mark a straight, 100 ft residential property line that's otherwise identified by electrical boxes is stupid. I don't have a lot of tolerance for stupid, particularly when my kids' safety is involved. If that makes me a gun grabbing Karen, so be it.

Great to know, thank you both. I’m so glad I found this forum, there is such a wealth of info!

I have a long property line that goes over a hill. I could not see from one end to the other. I had a surveyor mark the line in a couple of places and drove in two steel posts to mark where I should mow to. After about a year my two posts disappeared. I got it surveyed again and this time I put two 8 ft pieces of telephone pole 4 feet in the ground with concrete. They have been there several years now. If my neighbor had come to me and asked me nicely to remove the steel posts, I would have. If I was sure he was the one that pulled them up without asking, I would put up a barbed wire fence along the property line. Asking before doing anything to another persons property goes a long way.

Hmmmm. So, I'll play Devils advocate again (at the risk of making even more folks hate me, the thought exercise should prove evocative): You move into a new home and because a pre-existing condition doesn't comport with your sense of safety, you feel within your rights to remove someone elses property from their domiciled residence? Wow. I don't mean to be a ____, but you sound just like a gun-grabbbing Karen to me right there. Seriously, not saying this to roust emotions or cause trouble, I understand the desire to protect ones kin... got 3, but I never felt the right to impose myself on someone else. I might go over to their house to explain my position and ask if something can be done. Hey there neighbor, we just moved in and... what say we plant a couple bushes instead, I'll split the cost with you, buy a cold 6 pack, we'll do it together next Saturday? I installed a vinyl fence in my first home to keep my toddlers safe. I didn't make my neighbors change their yards because of my situation?!?!? Most people are reasonable when approached reasonably, and toddler safety is a pretty reasonable request IMO, especially when you're talking about one of those suburban neighborhoods with common property boundarys (my first home was)... But to think you're within your rights to alter my private property? Whoah there, we got us a problem here. You don't want your kid getting hurt in my yard? Keep 'em out of my yard. Why is your childs safety my problem? Do I need to put a lock on my medicine cabinet b/c your kids a meth head? Why not just deny my access to a medicine because others get high off it? I know, I should have to lock all of my guns up with trigger locks at all times and store the ammunition in a separate location because they might steal it and kill someone else with it! Welcome to New Yawk. LOL, guess that 'splains why I live in the middle of no where down a dead end street! In all seriousness, I _do_ understand the point @gregintenn tried making and fully understand @peejman doing anything and everything to protect his child(ren)... I'm really not this giant A-hole thinking up ways to hurt and maim wayward neighborhood children, honest... but to my way of thinking, that way of thinking, is exactly how gun control laws get passed. I don't mean to anger anyone or ruffle feathers, rather provoke them to stop and think. I find debates interesting and hope it can continue, even if I'm taking the unpopular side

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All of my older neighbors were like another set of grandparents. I wish everybody could have grown up like that. The world would be a better place.

You are just smart enough to not do it here and risk a warning.

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Hmmmm.. I'll have to look that one up! (We used to call one of the guys I worked with "Bobby", because he was that kinda stupid.)

Back at cha all y'all. As the Chinese say ...may you live in interesting times. And we are. Now if you all will pardon me I'm busy reveling in some Johnny Cash, Waylon, well you get the picture. May the coming year be calmer and more forgiving than this last one.

This has been going on for a while. Earlier in the year I decided I wanted a Lee Pro 4000 press but they, along with most of the other presses at Midway, were out of stock. I asked to be notified upon arrival and a miracle happened. I was actually logged in and roaming their site when the notification came in saying they had one in stock. I ordered it right then and upon completion of my order the status went back to "out of stock" and probably has been the same since. I've got stuff scattered all over the place but I might have an extra 4 hole if I can find them. I have a habit of ordering what I need +1 if it's not an expensive item.

I have a 4C my granddad gave me for Christmas when I was 6 weeks old. Parts and mags are usually fairly east to get. I think I bought from Numrich last time or may have been ebay.

You didn't have to fire your weapon, no matter how you cut it, that's a big win. You would only make a bad day worse. One must check their ego when armed...period. No flipping people off. You really do have to take more crap. When the guy got out of the car you should have simply driven off to avoid anymore conflict. When he opened your door you would have been justified in shooting, but your restraint was his and your good luck. You would not be justified in shooting just because he was banging on the window or car.....again drive off. Immediate police notification is smart anytime you pull your weapon.

Thank you, Dirtshooter. It was ...I don't know. I'm out of words right now. I'll never hear the Possum singing He Stopped Loving Her Today in the same light. Michael Played on that one. At least on a video performance.

The difference is that the Polish ladies will actually let you know when they see something happening on you property.

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