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Picked up a CZ 75 B tonight at Bud's in Sevierville (it's probably not good for me that this place is only a little over a hour away...). Both Mechanically and Jonnin graciously offered to let me come down to Chattanoga and take a look at theirs, but from everything they said and what I've read about this gun the last couple of days, I couldn't wait. Had been thinking about the 2075 RAMI, but those are hard to find. And after holding the 75 in in my hand, it was a done deal. To me, this is just one of those classic guns that I couldn't leave without. So thanks to my Chattanooga friends for turning me on to the CZ brand - probably won't be my last. Something about a metal gun. WIth my Sig p238 now for pocket carry, I could easily see me getting rid of all my polymer eventually...

I think, and will have to verify, that the GA could override a veto in the next year, as it is still this General Assembly (109th Session of), odd years are just part of the same session that ends in even numbered years.  He would get his spanking in January, he will not do that I don't think. Made a call, I was correct, next January is simply an extension.  Even my bill HB0410, (Elder Abuse bill taking "aggravated stalking" to a Class E Felony from a misdemeanor) while relegated to Finance sub in both houses, is still alive and I do not have to start over (rolled to the first calender of Finance next year).  "Uncertainties" at the end of an even numbered years is a death knell, but this year Parks survives to be overridden if the squishy governor vetoes.

When I was young I had plastic guns, now they are made with steel.

  It's big. To put it simply, you can carry in any city or county park, rec area, greenway, whatever. The "opt out" option for local gummit to prohibit such included in 39-17-1311 will be zapped. You can of course already carry in any state park.   Technically, seems you could even carry in coliseums/arenas that are dedicated to rec events, as most are, and shouldn't be posted as normal buildings under 39-17-1359, but that's a gray area that wasn't apparently even discussed in the whole shebang.   It will still be prohibited to carry in "immediate vicinity" of school activity within a park, another gray area, but one that probably won't cause any hassles at all, at least for concealed carry folks. :)   Assuming he doesn't veto it. Since he likely wouldn't do it until legislature adjourns, would almost certainly mean would have to start over from scratch next session, and anything could happen by then. This seems as about as good a change as we could get, and I'm frankly quite surprised it made it at all.   - OS

A Straw Purchase is a criminal offense. It is as hard to stop as any other crime. But it is usually harder to prove until another crime has been committed. If criminals want guns; they will get them. They will walk up and take them or they will wait until you are not home and they will kick your door in and take them. I’m not against background checks I just don’t think they stop criminals from getting guns. They are more about politicians saying “At least we are doing something”, and putting cash in gun dealers and the state pockets.

This is the element which has a huge impact on the rights of law abiding citizens. They make it easier for criminals to obtain legally purchased firearms. The fee income obviously offsets the risk of federal charges, legal cost and the risk of doing business with criminals who are violent since they are acquiring firearms as their work tools. Interesting business model, I'll pass... Now add in the face to face transaction with a seller who doesn't care who they sell to as long as they have valid ID. Trolling around outside the guns shows, facebook/armslist and swap meets trying to make a quick buck. I don't have a solution. Making it harder for everyone to legally purchase doesn't change anything, it can't affect face to face, it certainly won't decrease the number of guns stolen by criminals and it will not have an impact of sales other than increasing cost and taking longer to actually take possession of your new firearm. FWIW, I try to ensure I don't contribute to the problem and only buy and sell ftf with folks who are well known to me either directly or through a friend.

I'm kind of surprised there has been any debate at all on this. It no big secret that I am extremely suspicious and distrustful of police, yet even I don't see any problem with what this officer did. The job of a cop makes this individual to be less likely to be in the right, but in this case, he did what any other citizen would have been justified in doing.

They should mark these satire sites better. Raises my blood pressure every time.

  There isn't one for "immediate vicinity" of having ammunition near unloaded firearm either, but one can logically assume it would be determined to be quite close.   I'd say it joins the considerable list of things not to worry about. The tennis team shows up, don't watch them from courtside, whatever.   - OS

  It wouldn't be fair to mass killers to have good guys with guns anywhere around the kids.   - OS

He had committed a robbery, home invasion, vehicle theft, firearm theft and was an active shooter holding a rifle. Since no one was going to walk up on him and he was refusing all orders to comply; the next logical escalation of force would be to shoot him before an innocent walks into the scenario and gets shot or he shoots a cop. You think hitting him with a car was more reckless than opening fire? I don’t.

I wrangled with the cost question for 20+ years, and never did nothing.  When Sandy happened, and there was no ammo to be had, I threw out the concern, and went with the model if I want to shoot, then I need the supplies, tools, and know how to reload.  I dove in and spent well over $1,500 in dies, presses, tumblers, and supplies within 2-3 weeks of Sandy.   Fast forward to now, I went from 0 experience to a shade tree guy with basic skills virtually over night.  I can reload for all of my pistols and rifles (except 22 of course).   My mileage meter says that I have reloaded ~3,000 rounds on a single press spread over many calibers and straight to necked brass.  I only reload what I plan to shoot, with no extras.   So reflecting, from a cost point of view:  If I do not factor in my investment costs of the press, dies, tumbler or the cost the brass, and just focus on the expendable costs of the bullet and powder, it becomes very close if not slightly better than what I can pay for ammo at my locally Walmart.  But I will tell you, the experience, the time, and sure focus of the mind, is very relaxing and rewarding, more than I expected, and that was not even a consideration at the time.  I wished I had discovered this hobby 20 years ago, instead of considering if it saved me pennies.

There's nothing like an all metal gun with a SA/DA trigger and an hammer. I'm biased, but I think the CZ 75 is the closest model to getting it perfect. Have you shot it yet? That's when you'll be the most pleased with your decision.

I like the forward assist integration but the whole ambidex selling points are pretty much useless except to 5% of the population.  Seems like a lot of added costs

I have more than 30 years experience dealing with guns as well as ample retail management and loss prevention experience. I have spent literally hundreds if not thousands of hours at gun shows, gun stores, and pawn shops. I have also assisted several FFLs with their businesses and worked for them on numerous occasions. In all this time I have never once witnessed a straw sale or an attempt at such, and I have only met one private seller that seemed a little shaky with a deal that was too good to be true, so I declined to purchase that gun although I had no proof of anything being wrong.   My view is that it is FAR more common for customers to be shopping with relatives or friends, and commenting on the products or giving each other advice, and possibly loaning each other money or buying each other gifts. And that it is quite rare for criminals to attempt straw sales in most FFL shops, except possibly for those located in or near high crime areas with a low median income population. I can't tell you how many times I have personally gone to a gun store with a friend or family member to help them pick something out, often checking the guns, features, and prices and then giving them advice, with them making the purchase in the end. This might have appeared to be a straw sale to some observers but it was nothing illegal, just normal adult behavior. The same happens for other retail goods including electronics, jewelry, cars, etc. and we don't think anything of it.   I think the true straw sale attempts (those done by criminals with criminal intent) are much more obvious, and any responsible FFL would and should decline such transactions, but even then the rejected buyers are most likely to just go to another shop and repeat the purchase in a different manner so as not to be accused or detected. If you look at most of the actual crime studies and reports that have been done over the years, you will see that most crimes are committed with guns that were stolen or illegally obtained via other means, and that true "straw sales" are a very small percentage of the problem.   So I agree that the background checks and many restrictive firearms laws are not really protecting us from anything or doing any real good, other than to give the average citizen (who is most often totally ignorant of gun features, issues, crime stats, and laws) a false sense of security. Many of the current BATFE / GCA laws and restrictions did not exist prior to 1968, and yet the world was not a criminal hell on earth, and there was not a blood bath in the streets on a daily basis, and crime was not significantly impacted either way before or since. I also believe that most people are inherently honest, law abiding citizens with good intent, and that they wouldn't deliberately or knowingly provide a criminal with a firearm or other weapon regardless of the legality of doing so, so I wish we could just repeal all gun laws and restrictions. This would ultimately lower the price and increase the availability of firearms for the masses, who are mostly good folk, so the net benefit would by definition be mostly good.

  Hopefully, he'll just not sign it, letting it become law as he did with change to preemption statute last session.   My rep, Smith, has done the "present not voting" thing on this all along. I presented the case to him that the TN Constitution says that only the Legislature has the right to enact laws regarding the wearing of arms. I do not believe that allowing local control "by proxy" of a state statute such as 1311 is within the intent of that.   - OS

      Scruffy looking nerfherders, thank you very much.    :)

WARNING - this thread is completely useless without pictures ...

... in package with new handguns is ending in October.   Maryland Ends Ballistics Imaging Program And Provides A Lesson   http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/17/maryland-ends-ballistics-imaging-program-and-provides-a-lesson/   - OS

Saddest part is, those stories are believable.

  I should warn that those panels were not a perfect fit on my gun.  There was a slight bit of wiggle which annoyed me.  I put a little silicone around the inside of the panels, doused the frame with gun oil then assembled the panels to let the silicone cure, then removed and trimmed off the excess silicone....a poor man's glass bedding, I guess.

he Needed my Alien Card as well as my Drivers Licence. Alien number goes on the paperwork. DL verifies I reside in Tennessee  I let him know that. He kept insisting I Needed a Hunting Licence! I don't hunt. Therefore I repeat, Screw Them...

  Yes.  Here they are... http://czcustom.com/CZ_75-CZ_85-Thin-Coco-Bolo-Grips.aspx   I also replaced the factory magazine break with this one, http://czcustom.com/CZ_75-CZ_85-SP01Solid-Mag-Break.aspx  which allows the mags to drop free.   And I use the 11.5# hammer spring and extended firing pin needed to go with the lighter spring, both offered by Cajun Gun Works.

    Though I'd love to see the rants, I'll spare everyone chagrin.   Another satire site. Look at homepage, some pretty funny stuff.   Aaron Hernandez Suspended Three Games Following Murder Conviction   Elizabeth Warren Stunned To Learn Jos. A. Bank Is Not A Bank     - OS

They are making the flattops right now. They are allocated though. Lipseys exclusive.

  Devil's Advocate / daddyo, when you posted this, even without knowing the backstory, did you even watch the video?  Rhetorical question, obviously you did.   1.  Hearing impaired and unaware?  There was verbal interaction / visual contact with the police. 2.  Criminal Record?  Who cares?  It doesn't matter. 3.  Are you really going to make this one an OC vs police issue?  Again, even without knowing the backstory, the man fired a round, on a public street, knowing he was being followed and confronted by police and the initial officer broadcasted that information before the "run over."   This has to be one of the most INANE posts that I've read in a long time.   PS.  Reading your TGO Sig Line...   "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Nations and peoples who forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms. Robert Heinlein    ...priceless.

Turkey hunting is like none other. I am a big deer hunter...I mean BIG deer hunter. But nothing gets my heart rate up like a turkey does. This is for several reasons. 1) turkey hunting is interactive. Calling and having them respond is incredible. Sometimes calling works great, sometimes you need to adjust your calling and sometimes it doesn't work at all. But even that doesn't mean you won't have a good hunt. Have had several turkeys come into calling but they came silently. When a mature bird gobbles in the woods, you will feel it in your chest. Similar to a ghetto cruiser blasting rap music a few cars away. Hence the "Thunder Chicken" nickname. 2) Thrill of the chase. You have a few ways you can hunt them and you need to constantly adapt, improvise and overcome. You can sit and wait (much like deer) or you can run after them. Having to make that decision wether to sit and wait or chase is all part of the ever changing game. If you desired to chase, how close do you need to get? Lots of brain power involved in turkey hunting. 3) Closeness. You've got to get these birds in close (around 40 yards at most). When you have a bird in close to you, you can see all their feathers, their eyes, hairs on their neck. And they are BIG. those guys will be looking you dead in the eye. Being close also has its challenges. Turkey eyesight is second to none. You have to be completely cammoed and completely still, only moving at the perfect times or you will get busted. 4) Spring is beautiful. Temps are nice, all the critters start coming out. Everything is greening up and it's arguable the most beautiful time of the year. 5) Social. It's super fun to go with someone. In fact having 2 people can even open you up to some hunting strategies that will help bag more birds. You don't have to worry about sent or even noise too much. In the wild, it's normal for the hens to come to the gobblers. But as a turkey hunter, you are trying to reverse nature and have the gobbler come to you. It's very challenging. I'm sure I'm forgetting some things. But hopefully that helps give you some perspective.

I have the single action version. Love it.   Now you need to locate a Kadet conversion kit.

You, sir, have just purchased the finest 9mm handgun ever conceived. You will be amazed at the performance. You will use so little paper, you'll be the envy of everyone you know! Congratulations!!

  Most likely the case.

Congrats on a nice looking pistol. Let us know how it shoots.

I thought they were awesome looking guns with some cool features. I just can't see any justification for that price. I could do a lot of damage in a gun store with the money it'd take to buy one and walk out with at least 3 guns on my wish list that I'd like more.

Spent all day shooting with them Wen. before the show. Guns are pricey but nothing out there I've seen is as cool looking or as detailed put together. They are very nice people and make a well put together product. Will the market support the price? We will see.

I have bought my mother and wife both guns. Both times they were with me at the store. Both times I plainly asked the clerk "Who does the 4473? I am buying this for her." Both times, different stores, the clerk told me "You are paying, you are doing the 4473. You are gifting the gun."   My understanding on what makes a Straw Purchase is if you are buying the gun with the knowledge that the other person is otherwise legally prevented from purchasing the gun themselves, and obviously you are using their money.   This is also clearly explained on the 4473 if you read the definition of Question 11.a. "However, if Mr. Brown goes to buy a firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Black as a present, Mr. Brown is the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm and should answer “YES” to question 11.a."

Measure you present trigger and decide if you need more or less. I would call the company whose trigger you are looking at and ask them about fitment and length.

  Keep in mind that purchases for family members and truthfully anyone as long as it is being "GIFTED" is completely legal and is not a straw purchase.... Many sellers seem to fail to realize this and try to put the brakes on an otherwise 100 percent legal action...

It may be the only time I will concede to the practice of calling Glocks 'bricks."   I don't find it particularly comfortable. But the guys beside me yesterday were all gaga over it and eager to trade in their Shields.   I so badly wanted to offer them what the dealer did on trade in. lol

  All we heard for years from the Republicans was that if we would just put them in charge they would help restore our gun rights.  Then they gained control and immediately started giving us the collective bird on firearms issues.  Honestly, there was more meaningful gun rights legislation passed with New Jersey Democrat Bredesen in the Gubernatorial office and Naifeh as Speaker than we have seen since the Republicans took control (legal carry of guns where alcohol is sold, 'castle doctrine' inspired laws, legal carry of guns in state parks, etc.)

For everyone one of your friends that are “good guys” there are people that think they are bad cops because their interaction didn’t go exactly the way they thought it should. Some people aren’t going to like anyone in a position of authority whether it is a cop, school teacher or supervisor at work. Compare it to being part of the HCP or firearm enthusiast group. A very large group of people hate you. They don’t think you are qualified to carry a gun in public and they will jump on any action by any gun owner to use as an example to try to stop people from carrying or even own guns. Look at the cross section of the people you know and work with. Most are good people but I’m sure you know some that you wonder how they find their way to work. You will find the same in a cross section of cops. I know and worked side by side with a lot of cops. Most good, some bad. Some were good cops that made a minor mistake, let a person with an agenda see that mistake and my god the world is coming to an end. If you start searching for cops that do bad things; you won’t have any problem finding the stories (even if they are made up). If you start searching for gun owners that do bad things; you won’t have any problem finding the stories (even if they are made up). The worse the cop sentiment gets; fewer good people will want to be cops and the problem will get worse. Just like your statement "Officer Kick Your Door Down and Search Your House Just because". I doubt that has happened to you or anyone you know personally. I have never seen a cop kick a door without cause (yes, I’ve seen it on the internet; I’m talking real life) I have seen cops kick doors and forced entry on more than a few occasions myself. Every one of them was justified; but I’m pretty sure someone is under the mistaken impression I violated their rights. I’m sure the changing laws also have a lot to do with it. When I started we were constantly being sent on “Family fights”. We were social workers and marriage counselors. We decided if there was truly a criminal situation or just a family issue that needed to be worked out. Then our discretion was taken away and if we went on a “Domestic Violence” call and anyone made any claims of threats or violence; hook them up and take them to jail. Same thing with DUI. Years ago if a cop stopped you and you had been drinking he had discretion; arrest you, call someone to come and get you or call you a cab. That is not the case today. If you are stopped now and are drinking the options are; ask you to submit to a BAC test, if you pass, send you on your way, if you fail or refuse; arrest you. I’m not saying Domestic violence or DUI isn’t a problem and those people shouldn’t be arrested. But the chances of those things being “borderline” and ending in anything other than an arrest are slim. And that is not the cops doings.

I went to the seminar last Friday. I, too, was a bit surprised by some of the comments. He did make a big deal about fill-in the blank trusts. Glad someone else posted it (I didn't want to come across as being self-serving). Another interesting conversation was how trusts are processed. Generally, the agents handle several hundred a day. If there is a question of validity, they walk it over the one of two (yes, just two) attorneys on staff at the WV office. Bill Ryan (who gave the speech) and another attorney (she was there, but I didn't meet her). Ryan genuinely seemed helpful. Very nice during individual conversations after the seminar. But it does appear that he is in charge of the response to all of the 41P comments. 41P is not dead, but certainly doesn't appear to be moving very fast. There were a number of specific issues raised about 41P and Ryan's answer was esssentially "we have figured that out yet." One very specific issue (seemed to be a hot button issue for Nevada and Arizona lawyers) was how a Responsible Person could possibly get a CLEO signature if he lives in, for example, San Francisco, even if he will NEVER bring the item into the state of California. The example was a trustee living in CA with all the NFA items being held by a second trustee in NV. The answer was "we don't know yet, but we (the ATF) aren't sure the CA CLEO would even be needed." So, I have no idea what the ATF's final position on CLEO signatures will be.

  No grayer than lots of others; I'll settle for it. "Immediate vicinity" of ammo is already used in relation to going armed or not.   - OS

Well, that took about 17 forevers...and yes, they passed the Majority Report of the Conference Committee, squirt gun gone, carry at legislature gone, but no more City/County opt out.  Now, on to Senate.

Did y'all...ummm... Well, er... Did y'all get wedgied a lot in school?

It's a shame it was just a squad car.  Shoulda been a Kenworth.

So an under slung shotgun is a Master Key. So does adding fishing equipment make it a Master Baiter?   *ba-dum-tis*   Can I suggest that you add a rope to the spear so you can climb walls?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z2Xpj64Z2w

1. Jar Jar sucks more than whiny Luke because he's a moron. Luke's an inexperienced farm hand who wants to see the galaxy. He's over excited on the Falcon when things get tense, but he's not a blithering idiot. Jar Jar is a blithering idiot.\   2. The light and sometimes subtle verbal sparing between C-3PO, R2-D2, Han, Luke, and Chewy is funny. The slapstick comedy of Jar Jar is not funny.   3. Han shooting first is critical. It establishes that he's, at best, a neutral character on the good-evil scale, and at worst downright dangerous. Tatooine is the first time we meet Han. Luke and Ben are hiring this guy and he just blasted a hole in Greedo. What are they getting themselves into? Rewriting the scene later because we want Han to always be a "good guy" misses the mark. He's a selfish scoundrel when they find him. To make him something else diminshes the journey he has to make for himself from that guy in the cantina to General Solo of the Rebel Alliance. Greedo letting Han get the drop on him just shows how inept Greedo was at the bounty hunting job. I don't think the same thing would have happened if it had been Bossk, IG-88, or Boba Fett in the cantina.   4. CGI has its place, but it's not great for living things yet. Puppet Yoda in V and VI is a little stiff and lacks the fine muscle movements of a real living thing, but it is "real" in the sense that it actually exists. The way the light plays off the puppet is the same way it plays off every other real object on the set. CGI yoda has more realistic fine movements (except for the crazy lightsaber fights designed by a 7 year old) but loses the presence of actually being in the shot. Changing the ghosts was just stupid. All of the others are still as old as they were when they died. How come Ben gets stuck in Sir Alec Guiness' body instead of Ewan McGregor's, but Darth Vader gets to go back to being young again? Much like cheapening the redemption of Han by having him shoot second, this cheapens the redemption of Anakin by Luke. It says "Darth Vader never happened. I get to go back to being the good guy I was before that darkness" rather than saying "I survived being Darth Vader and have returned to being a good man after passing through that darkness."   5. III was the best of the prequels, particularly the final scenes on Mustafar. Agree that H.C. couldn't act his way out of a paper bag. The only thing that ruined the final part of III was the Dr. Frankenstein's monster setup for creating Vader. Cheesy to say the least.

And, honestly, the law abiding citizens of Memphis need to start fighting back.  

My three kids were always pretty smart. When they finished class work early they would want to play. While in the first grade the schools administration decided that my son had ADD wanted him tested and medicated. To me, it was just a case of lazy teacher syndrome. Give him more work, challenge him. We bit the bullet and sent the kids to private schools where they never had conduct issues and excelled academically. That same boy is now in a five year MBA program. I probably would have taken them out of public schools eventually because I was too concerned about the violence that frequently occurs in the schools.

It's a game change'a