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SHOT Show 2020 is this week and that of course means that manufacturers are trotting out new products. If you're at SHOT you're getting a chance to fondle new things. If you're like me and stuck at home, you're seeing new stuff on the Internet. This thread will help you spend money later this year, because Holosun seems slow to get things actually into distributor channels after they announce them. Or at least that's how it was with the 508T last year. Anyway, they have announced a crap-ton of new optics so here are some things that you probably want to know about: A lot of their mini red dot optics have gotten a refresh for 2020 and now include a side-loading battery design that Trijicon should be kicking their own ass for not adopting yet (Seriously, Trijicon... what's up with that??) as well as improved, larger control buttons. 407C V2 Elite Red and Green Dot Versions 8MOA dot reticles powered by a CR1632 battery and solar cell, housed in 7075 aluminum bodies. 507C V2 Elite Red and Green Dot Versions 2MOA dot with 32MOA ring reticle design, powered by a CR2032 battery and solar cell, housed in 7075 aluminum bodies. 507K Micro Red Dot An alternative to the DOCTR and other such small red dots for your diminutive pistol! 6MOA dot reticle powered by a CR1632 battery and solar cell, housed in 7075 aluminum bodies. 508T V2 Elite Green and Red Dots A successor to the 508T already? They beefed up the body on these and it looks like it could now go toe-to-toe with the RMR for crush resistance now. 2MOA red or green dot and a 32MOA ring reticle design, powered by a CR1632 battery and solar cell, in a Titanium body. 509T Micro Red Dot If you wanted an Aimpoint ACRO that had actual battery life, Holosun is releasing one for you. Shame, Acupoint. Shame! 2MOA red dot and 32MOA circle reticle design, in a fully enclosed body, powered by a CR1632 battery and solar cell, in a Titanium body. Battery life is rated at 50,000 hours as compared to the 32 minutes and 6 seconds (exaggerated) that the ACRO gets.

If anyone interested, R K Shows will be in M'boro this weekend, at the Expo ( usual site ). Certainly not in the class with Tulsa, but usually the largest in this area. Guess I'll go kill some time there, not really looking to buy anything, just enjoy going.

https://wreg.com/2020/01/21/mississippi-lawmaker-petitions-for-desoto-county-to-become-second-amendment-sanctuary/ DESOTO COUNTY, Miss. — DeSoto County is now a Second Amendment "safe haven," the first Mississippi county to make such a declaration. Supervisors voted unanimously in favor of a resolution Tuesday, after the language was amended to change "sanctuary" to "safe haven." Mississippi Rep. Dana Criswell, who presented a petition to the Desoto County Board of Supervisors asking for a vote on the resolution, said safe haven essentially means the same as sanctuary. Criswell said several constituents came to him expressing concern after some counties in Virginia approved Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions in response to gun control measures in that state that some gun-rights advocates feel are unconstitutional. He said Mississippi's legislature is not considering similar gun-control measures, but that residents wanted to get ahead of the issue. "We just want to draw a line in the sand and say we're never going to enforce something like this," Criswell said. Criswell also said that we may soon see a similar effort in Alcorn County, and some efforts are underway in cities. He said he has put forth legislation that would apply statewide.

I carry a Glock 42 or a SIG P 238 as regularly as i put on my pants... One of them is my constant companion... I keep mine loaded with the 102 grain Remington Golden Sabers... They function just fine in both pistolas... If i'm goin into " The Frontier ", i also carry a big pistola as well.. Remember the words of the old Texas Ranger when the lady at the BBQ saw his SAA on his hip: ..." Are you expecting trouble sir..?"... He replied: " No mam, if i was, i would have brought my shotgun"... Remember, the best gun ya can have is the one that is with ya if ya need it... Dont worry about the caliber; work on shootin straight n true with the one you have when ya need it... Hope this helps... leroy

You'd think, but it wasn't just a few years ago, (after several church shooting including the one in Paducah), I heard a congregant talking anti-gun as he was walking up to the church remarking that he was glad guns weren't in his church. He was sooo wrong. He left a few months after he made that comment. I don't know why. Stuff got real with my church after the church shooting in Antioch. You see, one of our church members that I knew for years was the Fiance, (and now, wife), of the young man who neutralized the shooter.

True. I mean all minorities though. Tons of the Puerto Ricans I met in Orlando owned guns. They are catching on.

Lowest black unemployment in history. And then, this girl is helping a LOT. Blexit, she says...

Probably so. Lots of reasons for that. Gotta keep in mind the the US really is only a little over 12% black. As more of the black population wises up about the Democrats, you may see more.

I am betting there have been some really great cars that ran thru our hands. 1965 Buick Wildcat. Nailhead 401 Bought for $400 from a little old lady my mom knew. Fun, but dangerous in the hands of a teenager. Use to tick my brother off to no end it was faster than his 73 Roadrunner. Had a real problem with right rear wheel tire wear though.

The addition of a solar cell is legit genius.

That I do. If it is compatible, that’ll be awesome.

I think the 407C Micro Dot is going to be compatible with the Shield RMSc footprint, based on what I am seeing in those photos. You've got this footprint, right?

Looks like my truck gun 2018-01-27_08-19-06 by Johnny Rotten, on Flickr

While I'm opining on things, let me offer my thoughts on the spectrum of scenarios: 1. Train for as many possibilities as you can. Focus on the most likely, but include the absurdly unlikely as well. When the day comes, the bad guy will have chosen for you which scenario you get to address. It's going to be a pop-quiz. Stack the deck in your favor. 2. Train to intercept potential threats before they get into your building. You want your safety team at the doors being the friendliest people a visitor has ever met. Invasively friendly. Don't let a guy who is obviously dressed in a wig and fake beard, wearing a coat that isn't logical for the weather outside, like the shooter in White Settlement, into your building until you've made sure he isn't armed. Learn to be "professionally impolite". By that I mean demand to look inside bags, under coats, inside boxes or backpacks, etc. As an agent of the church, it is "your" property and you get to turn people away if they refuse to disclose what they might be concealing. It can save lives, and people will get over it if you're wrong -- or they'll find a new church. They found yours and we shouldn't presume that God needs us so much that He can't lead them to another church. We aren't that significant in His plans. He's very adaptable. BUT... be prepared for a fight if by stopping them and searching or asking or turning them away causes them to change their plan and start doing harm with you instead of with the congregation. Be prepared for that eventuality. It could happen. If you think it might never, you're essentially just a door greeter who chose to carry a gun for some reason. 3. We have mercifully been spared a wholesale terrorist attack on a church or synagogue in this country. So far. Just because it hasn't happened yet, it doesn't mean it won't happen sooner or later. If you've read the Bible, you know that things aren't going to get better in this world. They just get worse. See point #1.

I've loaded about 400 rds. .38 Spl. in the last few days. About to load a few more and some .357 Mag. I bought some cast Hornady 158 gr. swc bullets and primers at Gamaliel, Ky. And got some more at Academy in Cookeville. Academy has more reloading supplies than you'd think. Gamaliel actually had more stocked than I figured.

I sometimes carry a Sig P238 Legion, especially in warmer weather when I wear lighter clothes. I have complete confidence in it and my ability to hit exactly what I aim at with it. Shot placement is everything with it, but it is with a 9mm also. Modern .380 defense ammo has come a long ways in the last few years. I use Hornady Critical Defense, and it is an effective round at close range. Having said all that, it is not my caliber of first choice, but I do occasionally carry it, and it can be effective if you use it and practice with it.

Always gonna be haters, even in church. Yah, our church is in Antioch...not that one, but not that far. Very grateful for that young man, indeed.

Okay, as I read that my thoughts were that things are already as bad as they can possibly be. In that scenario a bunch of people would die if the local SWAT team was in the parking lot. Luckily church shooters are mentally ill terrorists. The odds of getting several of them together are probably worse than winning Powerball. Train for what would be a likely scenario. That’s a shooter standing amongst a bunch of your people. Do whatever you need to do and make whatever plans you need to put your own shooter as close to the bad guy as you can. If you have someone in a vehicle in the parking lot, I wouldn’t say it’s a bad idea for him to have a rifle in addition to a handgun. Just remember, if a shooter starts shooting in the parking lot, your primary goal is not to kill him; its to make him stop shooting. You opening fire at him with a handgun could cause that. Spending more time to bring a rifle into play may cost lives. It’s why you train. You have to be prepared for any likely scenario. You have to be able to take out a shooter without shooting everyone around them. You may also find your self in a situation where you do have to put innocent people lives in danger. No matter what you do; a bunch of people are going to sit around and arm chair quarterback what you did. If no lives are lost they are going to question if you needed to shoot at all, and if maybe you are just trigger happy. If multiple lives are lost there will be countless opinions of things you could have done. Most of those peoples opinions won’t matter; but some of them will impact your future.

Did a lot of research before I really considered a .380, and while I still prefer a bigger round, ya can’t beat a pocket .380 in certain situations where anything bigger is difficult to do...I sometimes carry a S&W .380 Bodyguard with a crimson trace laser in a pocket holster in my front pants pocket as a primary, but usually it’s in the same place as a backup to my 9mm EDC. Modern .380 rounds are much improved in a self defense round. I keep mine loaded with Hornady Critical Defense polymer tipped hollow points.

Really like it. It makes shooting accurately a lot easier. I am 52 and while my vision is great I have to use cheaters/readers for anything up close. Looking at my phone, reading a menu etc I need readers. When shooting pistols, the target is perfectly in focus while the pistol sights are very fuzzy. A red dot is a lot easier to pick up than the front post on the pistol. I can focus on the target thru the RMR and as soon as the red dot covers what I want, boom. Now I did just order some reverse bifocal shooting glasses where the magnification is on the top instead of the bottom. They are supposed to be great for older eyes. I will post a review once i get them and shoot with them.

At work, my technique for ammo selection is that I have one shotgun loaded with buckshot and one loaded with slugs. They are turned opposite ways in the rack; so, that I can tell which is which. If I jump suspects on the ground, I pull the buckshot. If I jump suspects in a car, I pull the slugs. Otherwise, I just run buckshot in/on the gun, and if I feel I just have to have them, I'll have slugs on the belt. I tend to use a shotgun for known confined spaces and a carbine for everything else.

Thanks for the heads-up, I might have to go; I haven’t been in a while. I bet I can find a “Cowboy Gun” there.

While I get the point, the crowd was 98% white from what I saw. We need more representation from our minority gun owners. I'm just not sure how to make that happen. I think having Colion as a spokesman is helping though.

Did you see when said asshole took credit for there being no violence?

Sorry man, that is bad. In 1975 I had 900cc of god-awful bad assery, but this is the form it took. I hated it when it was stolen.

Man, I'm so jealous that you guys got to be teenagers over here! I traded a Vespa P125 for my first car, back in England, in '91 . . . . 1977 Fiat 127. Arsehole brown & everything. 900cc of god-awfulness. Flat out at 60 & the damn heater didn't work. I freaking hated it.

Lenny wound up getting what he deserved. The cops were hanging out with the open carry folks at the rally. The asshole of the day was Governor Blackface.

My most recent toy...

Patton "The moisture in the crawlspace really isn’t bad but some of our closets would get mildew" Would it be prudent to get a moisture meter and get some actual test numbers? Before and after the fix. Documenting the results. Test results before and after in the closets also. Morgan88

PROMAG = Please Remember Our Magazines Are Garbage My son had a few and never got all the way through them without a failure. This was in 5.56 . Hopefully these are better.

That lever action looks fun!

I learned a little TN law in the HCP class, which I assume is part of the online class. But I already had my NY permit which requires no training just a lot of time and money, and they think handguns are so dangerous that you can not even own one or shoot one till you have a permit. I then took two NRA hand gun classes and the classes for the Utah permit. At least two in our HCP class learned somethings from the live fire, they had never fired a handgun before. They didn't do anything dangerous, so they did listen in class, but did need some help from the instructor. I still believe in constitutional carry, but training should be encouraged.

I’m just a regular joe and I got in at Strategic Edge after 8-10 months on the waiting list. He only allows a certain amount of members (I don’t know what that number is up to now), and each year as some people don’t renew, more get notified that they can join. It’s an amazing range and worth biding your time on the waiting list in my option. Membership is not needed for most of the competitions and classes out there. Charlie’s range is also quite good for short range work, though I long ago stopped going on the weekends as it can get crowded and uncomfortable quick.

Check at ammo seek. First page shows 2.6 to 3.5 per shot.

I run the front two brass up for quick slug changeovers on my M4. Otherwise, it's brass down.

PayPal doesn't like guns, but usually allows gun accessories, I would report it to both services, PayPal and Google pay, and let them investigate.

Just picked this up the other day, now rides in my truck.

Nighthawk Agent 2 with IOS in 9mm..... first 9mm in 1911 for me.

If for your first post on the forum, you feel strongly enough about a topic that you resurrect an 8 year old thread; you should give your opinion on the subject instead of trying to redirect traffic to another forum. Don't you think?

It might just be a mistake on my part, but I use PayPal on every online/internet purchase I can. I've had to dispute only one purchase in about 5/6 years, and PayPal was right in there with me on it. Now that might bite me in the "Buetoocks" at some point, but good so far. As you say though, PayPal is restrictive on firearms and some related items, but had no problems with them yet. Wait...I did get a refusal when I tried to pay for a GunBroker purchase when I first started using it. Amazon's Chase Card also dislikes firearms and other items, but I use mine all the time for my FFL dealings. No refusals yet.

Finnish soldier with Lahti-Saloranta M/26 light machine gun

1966 Pontiac GTO. Drove it through the high school years in Knoxville. Way too much for a 16 year old...had some close calls. Got the car in 1985... and I still have it in my garage.

55 Nomad....was our family car new in 55. In 59 Dad bought a new car and kept the 55 for work. It '65 I bought it from Dad for $300...still only had 60K on it. I kept it till 71. Sold it cause being deployed in the military all the time I never got to drive it much. Damn I loved that car.

I've never liked electronic locks. Anything electronic can fail much easier than plain old mechanical. Although highly unlikely, just in case that EMP does ever hit, you'd be locked out of your safe. You'll be needing what's in there. There's an old saying that I fully believe in. "Never trust you life to anything that requires a battery".

I personally think the new permit is not a good idea. Showing some proficiency at shooting a stationary piece of paper gives the instructor some idea if the student can hit the broad side of a barn. Also, I wonder if the online class goes into details about common sense laws about using deadly force? There was a guy in GA that is charged with felony murder for shooting and killing a teen for stealing his cellphone. If I'm not mistaken, you don't have to take a class to get a CCW in GA. Just go to the courthouse, fill out some paperwork and if your BG check comes back clean you get your permit. I think all states issuing a permit to carry a gun should at least give some legal perspective on the use of deadly force in their state so that applicants know some basic rules. Most places you can't shoot someone over stolen property. If a person doesn't know that then they will be in for a rude awakening if the do. Am I wrong for thinking that way?

I don't understand why anyone would open carry into a business or in public. Why would you give up the tactical advantage of letting others know that you are armed? Why would you want to be identified as the first person a bad guy would shoot? Why would you want to be hassled and waste time talking to someone about whether or not you had a HCP?

I see now I did not understand the first step (Click the COPY next to DIRECT LINK). I was in my computer files looking at an Image and right clicked that image. Then clicked COPY. There is not a Direct Link line. Apparently the image you are clicking is in some other web site IMGUR as you mentioned IMGUR in opening statement. How do you use IMGUR? Send all your pictures there first?