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Just making sure you all see this... On Sunday, September 25, 2016 I will be moving the TGO web site to a newer web server. When I do this, there will be a complete service interruption of a few hours. This move will change our site's IP address which means that you all will slowly begin regaining access to the site as your Internet provider's DNS servers update with the new address. If that sounds like Greek to you, just know that it could take anywhere from 1 to 24 hours or so depending on how aggressively your Internet provider updates its records. We have zero control over this, unfortunately, so there is no way for me to speed up that process. Why is this happening? Web servers, much like your computer at home, run an operating system that eventually becomes "end of life" and requires replacement. Think about when Microsoft retired Windows XP and told everyone that it was time to upgrade to Windows 7, otherwise they would stop supporting you. Well, very similar in this case also. Our current web server has taken care of us since 2011, but it is time to move to a new one. I have already moved a few other web sites to the new server and it is doing fine, so I predict no problems with moving TGO. However, TGO is undoubtedly the largest horse in the stable so I am going to be taking extra care to move it. While some performance improvements are possible as a result of this move, that is not the primary motivation. The real improvements for performance are planned for after I get us moved. More on that is to come. I'm going to go through withdrawals! A lot of us will. Be sure to keep tabs on our Facebook page and our Twitter feed while the move is underway. I will post updates on both of those places as I can while I work. If you don't already follow us on those two social media outlets, you can click below and then add them to your bookmarks. TGO Facebook Page TGO Twitter Feed So when exactly does this start? I am not sure of the exact start time yet. You'll know when you see the site go offline and our maintenance notice go up. Just check back in a little while after that happens and you'll eventually be able to sign back into TGO and participate in the forums. Thanks for your patience!

Somebody is going to shoot one of these clowns. And everybody is going to think they had it coming.

Well, fraternal twins. Thanks to Guns N More! Finally got a couple of 10mm!

Monday the 26th is the first debate. That should certainly test the capability of the new server.

TGO went gay while you were gone. Wearing eye protection took on a whole new meaning.

Because I got a pair of Finns... BWAHAHAHA http://imgur.com/a/HjfGg Got 2 VKT M39s from Classic Firearms. Didn't opt for "hand select" and seem to be in decent condition for the price. Both are 1942, and I seem to have gotten one War time stock, and one Post war stock. The War Time stock seems to have an older action and bolt, and in a little rougher condition. Range report will be soon

I hope I don't offend anyone but I have to rant... Was in line at the Kroger this afternoon and a pair of seriously overweight and heavily tatooed individuals were in front of me w/ their 2 darling kids. I couldn't help but notice all the sugary cereal they were buying w/ food stamps. Being a parent myself I wanted to suggest the "Cheerio's for your 2- and 3-year old might be better choices", I refrained. They bagged up their groceries and then paid for the final 3 items with their Bank-card. A 12-dollar box of Sushi, half-drunk Soda Pop, and a pack of gum. It took every ounce of civility I had not to say something. Folks, I've been there, we've all been down on our luck, but I'll be damned if I'm going to buy your kid's groceries while you take 'your money' and drop it on Pop and Sushi, fer crying out loud..... Send your husband (errrr. baby-daddy?) through the line separate so I don't have to watch you spit in my tax-paying face like that. Gawd! Thanks, I feel better. Rant-off. - Kevin

Award for best thread name for 2016 goes to you. [emoji1]

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So after 60+ years they're going to make it so you can take it apart.

They are cheaper.

Just a tidbit of information on how to improve red dots. If they take a 2032 battery and have a intensity knob, not a intensity button, you can swap out the single 2032 battery for two 2016 batteries. It makes the dot a lot more brighter. The 2016 batteries are identical in size to the 2032 except they are 1/2 the thickness so you can double them up. Makes sights that are barely useable in bright sunlight useable.

I'm not certain all of these "clown" sightings are legitimate but do believe some idiots are playing around with fire and are about to get burned.

This is probably because they're remaking "IT". we all float down here.....

OK, now I'm hungry.

I am hoping for a very SIMPLE and very FEW PARTS SLIM 45 pistol. I wanted to like the American pistol but the trigger control mechanism was too complex and had way to many small parts. This may sound childish , but I'd love it if they ever came back out with the old P-Series for a limited run . I'd buy 2 or 3 or 4 !

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Definitely look at their knife laws online. Very convoluted. I believe nothing over 4" but I could be wrong though. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

I knew a stripper that used to accept food stamps and .... Meh never mind

I am so sorry this happened. If I had saw this earlier I would have passed on the number for mission 22. A group of vets that help w this. I really hate the va and refuse to go them for anything. They are the most sorry ass bunch of losers in the medical field besides bcbs. I wish I could do something but have spent countless hours bitching out elected officials to set the va on fire because of their incompetence. Prayers for you family and son...

This, 1,000 %!!!! It _is_ a way of life, for many. Sum's up the problem entirely. A motivated individual can do almost anything, so we must not be motivating folks. Soup Kitchens should make a comeback! I'd also like to see work-details leaving the welfare office to pickup trash in the street, clean up our cities and towns. You want your check? Report to the foreman at 9 AM, he'll have an orange vest and trash-bag for you. Bring it back full.

I’m a dog lover and the person in the wrong here is the dog owner. A dog should not be able to run up on anyone on public property. The owner put you and the dog in danger. The only thing I would have done differently is that if I have to draw my weapon with people around; the cops are getting called and I’m not leaving until they show up. Having been a cop I can tell you that you don’t want someone calling the law on you and the responding Officers only getting one side of the story. You could end up cuffed and stuffed, charged with aggravated assault.

So sorry for your loss. This is happening far too often. If you need anything, or just need to talk, please give me a call.

Praying for you and yours in this time of need

Sorry to hear of this. My wife and I will keep you in our thoughts and prayers.

You can't carry in the bar area of a restaurant and from what I understand you can't carry in a place that is strictly a bar or night club. You can drink there while carrying in a restaurant. No gun signs are just treated as a trespass issue. Some good things and not so good like you can't carry at an athletic event legally. Most of the list probably won't apply to you going there for business or vacation unless you are going to a professional sporting event or a bar.

I am very saddened to read this Randall. It sounds like you lost not only a son, but a friend as well. I am proud of your boy, proud of his service and proud of the man it sounds like he was, proud of the man he should have lived to be. Mental illness is no joke, the demons are in there I think for everybody and it is a shame when folks cannot overcome through their own or get the help they need to do so. It is DISGUSTING that what should be our nations most sacred asset, our veterans, cannot get a fighting chance with their lesser half, the government. I wish you peace in this trying time and urge you to open your heart to those who will help support and lessen even a trivial amount of your pain. I wish I had something better to say, words never are enough.

We've had clowns in NW Georgia. One actually chased some children with a (hopefully) fake knife. They got a picture of it. A kid in my neighborhood saw someone in a clown mask. Some teenager is going to get themselves shot. What a dumb way to die.

Reading this upsets me. You did everything you could do. Please don't fault youself for this.

I cannot even imagine what your family is experiencing, but I will certainly be praying for you!! So sorry for your loss.

First off Prayers for your terrible loss to you and your wife. I know there are never any words to take away the pain a family goes through in these type of situations. Being a vet from Nam I have seen first hand how the Federal Government feels about taking care of our great men and women in our military. I was fortunate enough to be able to secure employment that made it where I never had to depend on VA for medical services but have many friends that do and they tell me all the horror stories about how they are treated by the VA. I learned one thing about the Federal Government while serving and after coming home. That is the Federal Government looks at all military personnel as expendable assets and they are treated accordingly. NO man or woman that serves this country in our military is expendable. They are all important just as your son was also. Again, Prayers will be shared every night for you and your family.

Randall... my wife and I are sitting here in tears; tears of sorrow for you and your family, and tears of rage at a horrible system that needs to be imploded. I will find SOME way to pass this along. Our prayers are with you, may God give you His peace that surpasses all understanding in the midst of this.

My deepest sympathies for your loss.

So sorry for your loss. Sending prayers

So sorry for your loss. I've got boys of my own. It's difficult to even think about.

So very sorry for your loss. You and yours are in my prayers. God bless.

I have no words for your loss. May God Bless you and your family to give you comfort during this trying time.

Very sorry for your loss. I am a veteran but thankfully have never had to deal with medical. I don’t know exactly what the problem with the VA is; but I have seen it suggested that Veterans benefits be available through their local private Doctors. I think this is the only fix. The sad part is that if your son had been a criminal instead of a Veteran he would have got the mental health help he wanted and needed. If you would let me use your son’s name and story I can think of some people that can do something about it that need to know his name and his story. I am a firm believer that stamped letters sent through the mail with real people’s names carry far more weight than emails and internet petitions. I am willing to write a letter.

At the very least it seems like some VA administrators, two senators, at least one congressman and the president himself ought to get a letter naming your son by name and expressing our disappointment in your sons treatment from each of the 26,579 members of TGO.

Sorry for your loss. This may sound cold, but your story and my experiences are why I can't advocate for our young people to volunteer to serve. I was a honor graduate and loved my service, even my time in the gulf. Anyone who has ever served knows that sick call is frowned upon, so unless you have a sucking chest wound, you just suck it up. I'm seventy percent disabled, and I live and work everyday in pain. My last two visits to the Memphis VA I was greeted by a friendly little doctor who told me as soon as she closed the door that my current situation was not combat related, pissed me off, then checked my blood pressure which I'm certain was elevated due to the doctor making a decision prior to performing an exam. At that point around 1pm I'm taken to the emergency room where I'm abandoned until my pressure comes down around midnight, and sent home. I filed a grievance and an appeal detailing my experience with the first doctor. I received another C&P exam. If you've had this experience, you know that the doctors have all of your interactions and correspondence with the VA on their computer before your visit. I don't know if it was the complaint that I filled against her co-worker across the hall, but this doctor was worse. She was rude and rushed and blamed my ailments on the fact that I had gained weight since leaving service. She totally disregarded records from other doctors that showed that not only had I sought treatment, but I have hospitalization records for every ailment related to service. I don't want your loss and my response to sound like this is all about me, but I'll use the information to continue fighting, and motivating other warriors not to give up. No one is looking for a handout, only the healthcare services and treatment that we were promised when we volunteered. We are losing 22 a day. Despicable! God bless your family!

I have a few friends that were in the printing business. That's a tough one. Like I said... glad I'm old.

I like my assumptions though. Growing up in a family of five, I remember my mom crying one day when she was doing their taxes ( was probably 11 or 12 at the time) because she seen that they made a total of $10,000 that year. Not only had our electric cut off, but even had our water cut off a few times in that era. So I know exactly what it is like to be poor. Know what happened? When the whole understanding about being poor set into my brain, I went door to door asking and started mowing yards. From the age of 13 on, my parents never bought me a single item for school, my clothes or anything. Everything came from the money I made. Still wasn't much, but the whole point is that we are pacifying laziness and mediocrity because of the 'poor baby' syndrome. Poor thing is so bad off, we just have to give them something... Who are you to judge what they went through... yada yada yada. Philippines has a fantastic welfare policy that we should adopt - if you want to eat, you go find work. problem solved. You want to have 11 babies? You better find a lot of work.

Sorry Link, I would never bat an eye at a woman buying orange juice, cheese, milk, bread, etc (used to be called WICK, don't know if it still exists) to keep a child fed but when you witness day in day out flat out ABUSE of the system, then it not only needs to be called out but changed. There was no reason that woman at the convenience store needed me and you to buy her Monster drinks and beef jerky, none! No one here would deny a needy person a meal, but to have these folks wrap their lifes around the free stuff that allows them to have their phones, rims, and cigarettes when it was designed to keep them fed is BS! Don't try to defend it, not defensible.

I've got no words....no civil ones anyway.

I tend to keep everything close to full. Instead of driving around looking for gas this evening, we went fishing.

primary arms have a selection and have always been given good marks

Bushnell TRS-25? Good red dot that can usually be found for around $75 on sale.

I think you have to ask yourself what you really want. I shoot AR pattern rifles for the most part and I carry Glock pistols so a AR that accepts Glock magazines made sense. It has ran like crazy for around 700 rounds so far without a hiccup. On the opposite end of the spectrum, I have a Hipoint 995TS like the poster above. I may have $300 in it all together. It, just like my 9mm AR, has never stumbled. I've fed it every 9mm weight and bullet type I've had and it has digested it. Both can be a lot of fun. Like I said, I think it comes down to what you want and what you want to spend. Pic of my two