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We are looking at either a double failure of the sear and firing pin safety or an unintentional trigger pull. I suspect the firing pin safety was always a marginal design. I also suspect having a wide trigger with minimal ability to resist external objects activating it is obfuscating the whole issue. I don’t know how this will end up but my money is on some combination of tolerance stack and frame flex that can result in a small percentage of guns discharging without the trigger being pulled.

The manual safety isn't the end all solution, there's been a confirmed report of AD in the military since they've been issued, involving a Sgt. in the Army, with another dozen or so "unconfirmed" reports as well that are currently under investigation throughout the other branches. Sure there is room for negligence, holster could've pushed the safety off during re-holstering, and then unwanted pressure on the trigger, a lot of people seem to be attempting to blame holsters as the main issue, but I've carrying for 8 years, all manner of handguns and carry platforms, even made my own holsters for awhile, without issues, the simple fact is, Sig took the 320 design from the 250 platform, took away the hammer fire action and replaced it with a striker fired one, and made no safety precautions while doing so. The first run of the 320 was proven to drop fire, not just by civilians, but also gun professionals, cops, and the military. The military proving this is what caused Sig to do the whole "upgrade" thing where if you sent it back they'd make it "drop-safe." Then for military trials they needed to incorporate a manual safety. Cue Sig's design team, doing the bare minimum. It's very sad to see them come from a company that produced the 226 and it's many proven variants, as well as some of the earliest advancements in handgun design along with CZ, HK, and Walther, to making a design that can't compete with a gen2 Glock in terms of reliability.

My second visit here. The first was forty-one years ago. Here are a couple photos of the Changing of the Guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Guards carry the M14 rifle and the Sergeant of the Guard has an M17 P320 Sig Sauer.

Got for sale a very sharp little Rossi Trapper in 45-70. The 16.5in barrel really makes this a dandy little pack gun. Looking to get $700 outta this one, has had two boxes of LeverEvolution shot through it.

Ask yourself: "Self, would you be perfectly comfortable carrying a loaded (cartridge in the chamber, hammer cocked) model 1911 if it had no thumb safety and no grip safety?" If the answer is "Yes", then the no-thumb-safety Sig P320 is the modern striker fired pistol for you! I do not believe P320s are 'just going off' by themselves. I believe the trigger pull is light enough, and short enough, and that the trigger is wide enough with a squarish profile that it is getting pressed/moved enough to fire by holsters distorting in odd ways (especially ones big enough to accommodate a weapon mounted light or laser), strings or shirt tails getting into the trigger area, or any number of situations that allow pressure or drag to occur on the trigger tip, edge, or face. Sig made a Glock...but with a lighter trigger pull and no tab (drop safety) in the center of the trigger. Subtle changes but problematic changes as time and accidental discharges are showing. Glock had its share of accidental discharges, too, when it first came out. There is a learning curve w/new designs. I don't think the 320 is a learning curve issue. It's an issue w/a company pushing the striker fire design too close to being a cocked 1911 with no thumb safety ('lock') to engage or grip safety present to prevent an accidental discharge. The military versions of the P320 (M17/M18) all come with a manual thumb safety. There is a reason for that. I think Sig can save their gun by either installing a heavier trigger pull and adding a drop safety tab in the trigger face OR only selling the P320 model with a manual thumb safety. (Perhaps there is a third option? Installing a grip safety like that on the Springfield Armory XD pistols so pressure on the trigger alone will not allow the gun to fire.) But doing anything now looks like an admission of a problem and I can't see them doing that. So the uncommanded discharges will continue until they either get sued to bankruptcy or they drop the P320 model number, make the needed changes, and then announce their new and improved "plastic fantastic", the Sig P3200!

I've always been accused of being a man of little emotions. I've visited several Veteran Cemetaries in France and Luxemburg during my time in Europe and couldn't stop the tears just knowing what these brave individuals sacrificed.

Personally, I think Mora knives are the best bang for your buck in all the knife world. I think I have 5 or 6 of them.

I avoided responding earlier, but the 1911 analogy is flawed. Just stop. Guns can be safe without being made of steel or having grip safeties and thumb safeties. Technology has advanced past that. The supposed problem with the Sig P320 doesn't have anything to do with the trigger being pulled, so a thumb safety isn't the answer and neither is giving it a trigger safety "dingus" like Glocks and others use. Further, the P320 has a firing pin safety, but it inserts less material in front of the striker than a Glock, M&P or similar do. The supposed problem with the P320 has to do with the dimunitive contact patch or engagement area between the sear and the striker, and perhaps even variances in machining tolerances for the bits and pieces that are supposed to work together to prevent the striker from moving forward without a trigger pull causing the sear to fall. This is supposedly why some guns do it and others don't. It's also probably what Bruce Grey and team are inspecting when they review a customer's gun. 1911 and 2011 guys are foaming at the mouth to get in on this topic all across social media because it makes them feel relevant, but it's just noise. The lack of external safeties ain't the problem.

Plain old mil-spec Kabar has always worked for me.

As I woke up to see 20 on the weatherbug this morning I figured it was the perfect time to get this listed 2006 Volkswagen Beetle Convertible 90,000 miles Woman owned 2.5L 5 cylinder automatic 16" Aluminum wheels Power convertible top with heated glass rear window ( top is in great shape and works flawlessly BUT see below ) Leather interior in good shape Paint is in good shape but does have some dings scratches etc given the age Brakes and tires are in good shape New Battery Clear Tennessee title Never wrecked, clean carfax. The biggest negative this car has is the convertible top material has started to separate from the glass. My research found this was common in this car as well as convertibles with tops that were mfg in a similar fashion. While you can drop the top and cruise in the open air to your hearts content when the top is up you have a gap around the glass that will need repaired or at the least covered. As to be expected there are YT videos showing repair options and if you really wanted to you can buy a new top and have it installed. This option is not realistic unless you can buy a top and do it yourself which is possible if you're mechanically inclined. The car still has plenty of life left in it I just need the room. Price is $6,000 I am in east tn but I will deliver this car anywhere for the additional cost of fuel. I will post more pics when time allows. Please pm me with any questions.

Oh, I like this. It has a snowball in hell chance of passing ... but I still like it. I have my dad's old goose gun ... a double barrel 32" full choke 10 gauge ... that should work nicely. https://fox17.com/news/local/tennessee-congressman-proposes-allowing-property-owners-to-shotgun-low-flying-drones?fbclid=IwY2xjawI-hWFleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHTxmemrHZvs3NsO5ZIkH6AUQwD5qqI0hzLSVJw4kgIdFBRkzAjlacWAqMw_aem_t8DH4b3aIZTeP6wsiejuLw

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Colt single action army. First generation, 38WCF blue, 4 3/4 barrel serial number 284603, 1905. Price $2950

Selling two (2) stripped AR-15 lowers from Anderson Manufacturing. Both are in new condition and have never been used. Would prefer to sell as a pair but can sell individually Perfect for your next AR build Price: $40 each or $75 for both (cash only) Location: Can meet in the Chattanooga area. Requirements: Buyer must have a valid TN carry permit. Serious inquiries only. Message for details or to arrange a meetup.

Yes I have a few as well, put them in emergency packs or bags and vehicles.

Yup I have the issued military survival knife made by Ontario. I like the Kabar as well. And my old buck special is pretty darn good too. Also like the mora knives military or outdoor grade.

That is NOT proven to be the case with the P320. Again, tolerance stacking within the sear and striker components seems like a possible culprit.

Like so many wild claims; the truth comes down to Operator Error

Glock 29 Gen 3 10mm Trigicon HD night sights with Yellow front X3 Magazines with Pinkie Extension T&T Custom Leather holster and dual magazine in the waste band Holders SOLD

Arlington is definitely a humbling experience. The thoughts of all the sacrifices is overwhelming .

Carrying a loaded Sig P320 with no thumb safety is the equivalent of carrying a loaded 1911 with the hammer cocked...and no thumb safety to engage. And that's crazy to me. You have a gun ready to fire as soon as 4.5lbs of pressure finds its way to that trigger, regardless if it was intentional or not. I don't think the gun (P320) is defective. I think the concept of selling a gun with no safety, no trigger 'doohickey, (a la Glock), and a trigger pull that light (4.5lbs) is defective. It is just too easy for that trigger to get pushed/pulled/bumped/nudged/tugged and fire the gun unintentionally. I like Sigs. I have Sigs. But a non-thumb safety 320 is a no-go for me. If all you used it for was competition/target shooting, maybe it would be okay. But as a "duty gun" in a holster? Nope. As a concealed carry gun, stashed on my person somewhere? Heck no! As a gun stashed in a drawer for home defense? Uh...maybe? Sig can say whatever they want, but it's not going to change the public's perception of the product at this point. Perception isn't reality but that doesn't matter if no one wants to buy your product because of fear it may 'accidentally' go off.

Lots of pollen and other allergens in those cemeteries. . .

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That is a solid package. Very similar to my EDC.

Belgian Browning superposed lightning over/under shotgun. 12 gauge. full 30'' ventilated rib barrel, flat knob, serial number 2734154, 80%, 1964. Price $990

S&W needs to stop letting the fudds drive their product strategies. Anyone on TGO who is a serious student of the modern fighting pistol could make the S&W product catalog more relevant to the desires of the buying public and therefore more profitable. I half expect them to trot out a new revolver-fed rifle, that absolutely no one is asking for, at every trade show they attend.

Very much understood. I should have added that we met with the young man first and got good "vibes" from him. I know that's not necessarily a good thing to go by. But we did. Like many here, face-to-face conversations, and first impressions are an indicator for us as to how someone is recieved. Still...it is a risk. I understand.

Just need some dragon's fire shells

Super nice! GLWS

I would be unhappy to learn that someone had carried inside my home without telling me first. I'm a strong proponent of our right to carry arms, and to carry concealed. But I do not believe that right extends into another person's home. It's clear from your post that you were okay with it, but I would have not have been.

Same for me.

I have mixed feelings with Sig. One of my favorite 1911’s is a Sig. But I’ve found them difficult on warranty matters at times. I just sent back a brand new unfired cerakoted firearm that was not prepped correctly so the coating chips off easily. I felt like I got the third degree with the rep. Seemed like they thought I was trying to pull something, so I don’t expect them to do the right thing, but hoping. It’s just different working with them now that they have military contracts. All that said, I have 3 320 modules that have been in various configurations / slides / grip modules. Never a problem. I didn’t know about this article OP called out. But yesterday I received an email from Gray’s that seemed out of the blue until this. It referred to “renewed discussions” about the 320. So now I get the context. This is their.02 if anyone cares: At Grayguns, we don’t take anything for granted. We test, we push, and we go beyond normal use conditions to find out what a firearm is truly capable of. Over the years, in controlled environments, we have deliberately attempted to compromise the mechanical safeties of the P320, looking for ways an unintended discharge could occur. Despite those efforts, we have never been able to induce a discharge without the trigger being actuated. That does not mean people are wrong to be asking questions. The fact that we have not been able to make it happen does not change the reality that people believe it’s happening. We understand that too, and because of that, we are going to continue to explore every scenario, no matter how implausible it may seem. If there is a way for a failure to occur, we want to find it, understand it, and make sure the people who depend on this firearm have the information they need.

IN MY OPINION. In the old days Sig would have pulled the platform from the market. The loss would have been made up for in good will sales. These days, pulling a product would be equal to admission of guilt. The reputation of the platform is tainted and will never recover. Sig will let it die out and pull it due to poor sales while never admitting it had any issues.

I visited Audy Murphy's grave along with the Challenger Astronauts Memorial while there. Also seen the John Kennedy flame. Truly hallowed ground. I also visited Gettysburg Cemetary, and it ticked me off when the guide told me why no Vietnam hero's were not interred in that cemetery, which he exclaimed the cemetery was still an active burial site.

Only been to DC once and didn't have time for sightseeing. We did get a demonstration by the Old Guard, Amazing. Nashville's Cemetary and Stones River are quieting. I get the same feeling from Civil War cemeteries I had when I watched my buddies pushing Iraqi's out of Kuwait.

Never seen one self-activate, but I did witness a kB (SIG’s other PR problem). Too many other options for me to roll the dice on a 320.

Here it is straight from the horse's . . . well . . . you know . . . https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/minimum-age-gun-sales-and-transfers Summary: Private sale - Long guns at any age. Handguns at 18. Dealer sale - Long guns at 18, handguns at 21

I’ve been to several in Europe and England. I was most impressed with the Lorraine American Military Cemetery in St. Avold, France, and the one in Luxembourg where Patton is buried. Also visited the Vietnam Nam War Memorial and the WW2 Memorial on my only trip to dc. And both were awesome inspiring.

Something is awry, even if it is just that Sig did very little to openly address the issue when it was "lore" and hadn't completely become widely accepted as being true, regardless of the validity of the claims. I have one and I really like it, but I have also sidelined it until I have more reasons than a PR statement to restore my confidence in it.

Not the usual way of doing business on TGO- If you want to dicker you need to PM-

They aren't far from were I live at, never been there but I've been told he does a good job. From what I've seen it looks good. Nice job he did on yours.

No, it doesn’t change my mind about the 320 at all. In fact, their post only further confirms for me that they don’t give a damn about their customers, and are willing to lie and obfuscate in attempts to protect their bottom line. There is far too much evidence of problems with the platform, not just the un-commanded, discharges, but out of battery detonations and damages due to poor protection from magazine over-insertion. So despite their very feeble efforts, it absolutely did not end that day.

This one does nice. Take on a kephart.

I want to push back on that a little bit. First on quality - then on principle. That $10 knockoff isn’t the same quality knife. Steel, heat treating, quality control - none of that is the same. I’m not an LMF person - but I’d be willing to wager putting an original and that knockoff edge to edge and then hammering the spine - the original will cut through the Temu knockoff. Second - it hurts the maker. Gerber will be fine. It hurts someone like Rob Bayley. It’s worth supporting makers we care about.

The problem with this whole thing is it isn't really the law. It's not like they have to get this read into the Federal Register. It's been "once a rifle - always a rifle" for decades. Now, they're saying differently. They can go back next week if they want with no real reprocussions.