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Just making sure you all see this... On Sunday, September 25, 2016 I will be moving the TGO web site to a newer web server. When I do this, there will be a complete service interruption of a few hours. This move will change our site's IP address which means that you all will slowly begin regaining access to the site as your Internet provider's DNS servers update with the new address. If that sounds like Greek to you, just know that it could take anywhere from 1 to 24 hours or so depending on how aggressively your Internet provider updates its records. We have zero control over this, unfortunately, so there is no way for me to speed up that process. Why is this happening? Web servers, much like your computer at home, run an operating system that eventually becomes "end of life" and requires replacement. Think about when Microsoft retired Windows XP and told everyone that it was time to upgrade to Windows 7, otherwise they would stop supporting you. Well, very similar in this case also. Our current web server has taken care of us since 2011, but it is time to move to a new one. I have already moved a few other web sites to the new server and it is doing fine, so I predict no problems with moving TGO. However, TGO is undoubtedly the largest horse in the stable so I am going to be taking extra care to move it. While some performance improvements are possible as a result of this move, that is not the primary motivation. The real improvements for performance are planned for after I get us moved. More on that is to come. I'm going to go through withdrawals! A lot of us will. Be sure to keep tabs on our Facebook page and our Twitter feed while the move is underway. I will post updates on both of those places as I can while I work. If you don't already follow us on those two social media outlets, you can click below and then add them to your bookmarks. TGO Facebook Page TGO Twitter Feed So when exactly does this start? I am not sure of the exact start time yet. You'll know when you see the site go offline and our maintenance notice go up. Just check back in a little while after that happens and you'll eventually be able to sign back into TGO and participate in the forums. Thanks for your patience!

Somebody is going to shoot one of these clowns. And everybody is going to think they had it coming.

Well, fraternal twins. Thanks to Guns N More! Finally got a couple of 10mm!

Monday the 26th is the first debate. That should certainly test the capability of the new server.

TGO went gay while you were gone. Wearing eye protection took on a whole new meaning.

Because I got a pair of Finns... BWAHAHAHA http://imgur.com/a/HjfGg Got 2 VKT M39s from Classic Firearms. Didn't opt for "hand select" and seem to be in decent condition for the price. Both are 1942, and I seem to have gotten one War time stock, and one Post war stock. The War Time stock seems to have an older action and bolt, and in a little rougher condition. Range report will be soon

I hope I don't offend anyone but I have to rant... Was in line at the Kroger this afternoon and a pair of seriously overweight and heavily tatooed individuals were in front of me w/ their 2 darling kids. I couldn't help but notice all the sugary cereal they were buying w/ food stamps. Being a parent myself I wanted to suggest the "Cheerio's for your 2- and 3-year old might be better choices", I refrained. They bagged up their groceries and then paid for the final 3 items with their Bank-card. A 12-dollar box of Sushi, half-drunk Soda Pop, and a pack of gum. It took every ounce of civility I had not to say something. Folks, I've been there, we've all been down on our luck, but I'll be damned if I'm going to buy your kid's groceries while you take 'your money' and drop it on Pop and Sushi, fer crying out loud..... Send your husband (errrr. baby-daddy?) through the line separate so I don't have to watch you spit in my tax-paying face like that. Gawd! Thanks, I feel better. Rant-off. - Kevin

Award for best thread name for 2016 goes to you. [emoji1]

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So after 60+ years they're going to make it so you can take it apart.

They are cheaper.

Just a tidbit of information on how to improve red dots. If they take a 2032 battery and have a intensity knob, not a intensity button, you can swap out the single 2032 battery for two 2016 batteries. It makes the dot a lot more brighter. The 2016 batteries are identical in size to the 2032 except they are 1/2 the thickness so you can double them up. Makes sights that are barely useable in bright sunlight useable.

I'm not certain all of these "clown" sightings are legitimate but do believe some idiots are playing around with fire and are about to get burned.

Here is a second gun resurrection post. This is a "how's it done" posting that I hope will be enjoyable as well as an informative posting. The Marlin #47 pictured here is one I bought on GB a few years ago. The 47 was made in 1930-31 and only given to investers who would buy at least 4 shares of Marlin stock for $100. It was also the First Marlin to get the new cyanide process color case hardened receiver. Of course it would have to be THIS rifle to be caught up in a fire! All the springs including the mag tube spring are still in good working condition making it a worthy project. This segment will deal with making a new pump handle since the wood on this was toast. I have already fitted a new semi inlet butt stock from Numrich Gun Parts. To find a piece of wood that may be the easiest to remanufacture into a handle, I found I had just the piece. It was an unknown broken butt stock that would save me one whole machine operation. The butt stock tang bolt hole happen to be slightly larger in diameter than the Marlins barrel OD. So I band sawed the stock to include half of the length wise hole. Once the chunk was cut out, it was a simple case of measuring the mag tube hole center below the barrel channel and putting V counter sink holes on the ends for turning the piece on centers. Here I match the OD to the original tho slightly over for later sanding. Once I had a round handle, it was easy to bore the mag tube hole centered in the 6 jaw lathe chuck to this raw pc. The next step was to mill in the action bar relief. The mag tube hole drill is set into the handle and then clamped snugly into the bench top mill so as to not crack the handle in the vise. A nice snug fit The action bar has a defined rust line where the wood covered it so that line was where I chucked the rusted end of the bar into the vise. I use a drill that would be the ID of the bar's attaching holes. That drill is put directly in line with the Bar hole and then the wood is slid on under the drill and a perfectly in line hole is born! Same pre line up the hole, then get the wood in between the bar & drill. Once the line up holes are in, the handle its self is chucked up and the holes bored to attaching screw OD. Then the screw escutcheon reliefs are bore to exacting depth. The escutcheons yet need to be sand blasted cleaned and blued before I press them in the handle, but here it is in the rought. The next segment will be the relining of the barrel.

Just ordered 20 round mags for it. 28.00 bucks!

+1 for the trigger.... I put 250 through mine today as a matter of fact

And we have another convert! lol Start acquiring mags for it as well. You'll need them. It gets tiring reloading all the time.

Taking them apart was never a real problem. Putting them back together seemed to be the real challenge for some!

It's assembled rounds, commercially produced. Stories of problems have made the rounds for years, but I've never encountered anyone who has had one. On several discussions here, I believe the thoughts were that it wasn't a problem.

As a guy who can only identify a computer 2 out of 3 times (an electric typewriter by a TV gets me everytime) I appreciate your work to keep this site top-notch. Thanks for your work

I dunno... hopefully something good this time? The American pistol seems like one giant "Meh." I don't personally know a single person that bought one, and I only remember reading that a couple folks here bought one. For the sake of American manufacturing, I hope they hit a home run with whatever it is. My guess, though, is some twist on an existing long gun. Maybe a tweak on the Ruger Precision rifles? Those seem to be doing pretty well for them. I hope it's not just a compact American pistol.

You're equating a 10% increase to a 300% increase? It bothers me 0% that a station rises their prices a whopping $.20 when there is speculation of reduced supply. It also bothers me 0% that Benton's charged $100 for .22lr. You either buy it or you don't. Want a secret? Had Benton's left it at rock bottom pricing you wouldn't have been able to buy any anyways. There wouldn't have been any on the shelf. Equilibrium point: The point where supply meets demand. People that are willing to pay the market price can because it is available. Anything below the market price and you will have a shortage. I'm not saying that $100 was the market price, but anyone that purchased it for $100 was faithful that it was. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If you're interested, go over to the truth about guns. They take a good look at this "study"; who did it and how, especially the predetermined "study group". If this is what passes for science these days, you can count me out. It's just more propaganda to try to marginalize gun owners. Go to a local gun match, doesn't matter what type, and you will see the lie for what it is. In the last 5 years or so the number of shooters at local matches has almost doubled (to include many new shooters). Is this anecdotal evidence? It sure is but it is based on actual observation and not some half-baked study done by people with a clear agenda. Believe what you will, most do. But this doesn't pass the smell test for me.

I was in Destin all last week and carried a Glock 43 in a G Code holster most everywhere we went except for the times I was fully enjoying establishments such as Margaritaville and the like. Didn't have any issues at all. Only thing that really changed about my carry setup was having to leave my auto knife at home here in Tennessee.

I've prayed for you and your wife, and I will continue to do so. There have been many good comments, and I hope they bring you at least a little solace.

The geeks even take over a Sushi rant thread...........come on! And I love AS400, especially since where I work now trys to use an emasculated SAP system

I have polished out a receiver. I tried scotch brite wheels , they do ok but still ended up hand sanding with 600-800-1000 grit with wd-40 then finished off with mothers polish and a powerball. Good luck on finding a donor receiver... If you have a FFL that will not charge a arm and leg you can order a stripped ruger receiver from shooters discount for around $110. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

For those who aren't aware I'm George. (Attempt at humor)

Randall, as other have said there are no words that can help heal your pain right now. Just know that I as a retired Sailor mourn for your lose, our Country's lose and also am angered at the VA. I have taken on the 22 push ups a day challenge that some may see on FB. Tonight I will mention your lose in my push ups. Please know that my family and my church will keep you in our hearts and prayers.

My sorrows also. My heart breaks for you, your wife, family, and friends. Amen to the prayers given.

My lord Jesus, Please make us an instrument of your peace, where there is hatred let us sow love; Where there is injury pardon; Where there is doubt, faith; Where there is despair, hope; Where there is darkness, light; And where there is sadness, joy! Grant that we not so much seek to be consoled as to console; To be understood as to understand; To be loved as to love. For it is in giving that we receive; It is in pardoning that we are pardoned; And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life! I ask almighty God to shower you and your family with His peace, that He send legions of angels to comfort you and He draws you closer to himself

I'm so sorry for your loss. You will be in my thoughts and prayers.

I am sorry for your loss. I know that doesn't help but it is all I know to say.

There's an easy solution to that. Stop eating salads.

Randall, I do not have the eloquence to properly express my heartfelt sympathy for your loss. I am a retired RN from the VA. I have seen first hand the results of a bloated bureaucracy serving their own agendas and refusing/ignoring the reason for the existence of the VA. There are many good and professional healthcare employees at the VA, but if you speak out about the inadequacies, you will become the enemy of a system that will never change, like most all government agencies. I retired earlier than I intended, because I spoke out about those gaming the system, thereby depriving those truly in need of immediate care, and was harassed to the point that I could no longer tolerate the abuses. I pray for your son, that he is now in peace. And I pray for you and your family to find peace.

May God Bless you and his Mom Randall. I am so sorry to read this. Words carry little weight at a time like this, but we'll pray for you and your family and Trust in Him.

So sorry for your loss. Your family is in our prayers.

You can imagine how I feel when I see multi-millionaire thugs that won't stand for the National Anthem. I know it's their right, but do your protesting at the voting booth. Not in the face of people like my son. The right of free speech goes only so far, when you begin to step on other peoples graves, I draw a line.

Was just there today mainly for something else and lo and behold there were two boxes of Federal Auto Match 350 count. Visible. In the case. 5.4 cents/round counting tax and the ammo fee. Lady said they there was a bunch of it earlier, dunno why there was any left. - OS

I wonder what folks are gonna do with their liberal arts degrees when they automate cheeseburgers. I'm glad I'm old

I have to disagree, I don't need to have a conversation with someone that has expendable funds to buy things like pop and sushi, to be pissed off when they break out an EBT card on the side to buy other things. If things are so bad that you need an EBT card, you will not be in a position to have 'extra' money. Make me king for a day and this is the first issue I'll fix.

If I ever catch the ear of a politician that cares, I am actively asking that they ban the use of food stamps at convenience stores. There is NOTHING needed at a convenience store that these should be used for. I watched a lady buy slim jims, monster energy drinks and sundry other crap on the EBT and stared her down like a basilisk. Another time I got in trouble working for the old gun shop. I swept up the parking lot and found a Walmart receipt. Took a look at it and noted 2 containers of cupcakes, 6 each, purchased on the old EBT. I took a pic of it and posted it on Face book (back when I used it) and then got told to take it down. Didn't want no one angry if they associated me with the gun shop.. Pfft And then there is the super calculators. Got folks at work that will tally up their hours and either go home (taking a point towards dismissal) or refuse overtime just so they don't exceed the take home that boots them off EBT. The same folks complain that we don't pay enough. Call it what it is, free loaders. When it all comes tumbling down, they will be the ones on TV complaining they can't live cuz the gubermint aint there to feed and house them and they can't call cuz the phone don't work no more. Screw em

You almost have to try them both for yourself. It really can be a matter of personal preference. I always thought the G19, or other compact Glocks, were the cat's meow. But when I went to a department with Glock 22's I actually found that I like the fullsize frame better. The 22 is the exact same dimension as the 17 but in 40s&w. I liked the fullsize for a lot more than capacity. The balance, finger grooves, and the slide length for malfunction clearing all outweighed having to conceal it.

It is kind of a jack of all trades, but a master of none for sure. I have researched them a lot. As far as scandium S&W's go, they are priced reasonably well. The black models appear to all have a Big Dot Night Sight, but the bright stainless does not. I can't think of a more versatile in caliber handgun in production. I read a professional review the 45GAP rounds were the most accurate of all the factory ammo tested. They will not close with 45 Auto Rim cartridges and are not intended to shoot anything over standard pressure. I wouldn't run 45 Supers but I would think 45acp plus p would be fine as it is about the same as some standard 45 Colts. Ruger only loads are completely out of the question. The free-bore of the long cylinder does cause some velocity loss, but I remember reading that it wasn't near as much as I would have thought. I have shot a judge, but not a governor, and find the shotshells really penetrate poorly; even the specialty handgun rounds. The shotshells also leave you feeling really dirty after shooting. I do like the judge with 45 Colt rounds though.

I have several of the Bushnell TRS-25s on various weapons and have been pleased with them. I have other optics as well that cost a good deal more but bang for the buck, the TRS-25 is a decent red dot.

This one is coming up in just over a month. This is not the kind of class you can get just anywhere. Most ranges would not allow you to stand still and shoot in low light (or no light) much less doing it while drawing from a holster. Don't miss this chance to get realistic training for realistic problems in low light environments.

New addition to my full size 40s vintage self loading rifle collection. Finally bagged me a Swedish AG-42b otherwise known as a Ljungman. Here it is pictured with my other three. Top to bottom: 1942 Springfield Garand, 1945 Ljungman, 1941 SVT 40, and an Argentine FN49. . Still on the to acquire list are a MAS 49/56 and the Egyptian Hakim (Ljungman copy). Then maybe a Beretta BM-62 or a Walther K/G43 if I can swing it. I would still love a 41 Johnson automatic too. Again, this is just the big rifles. I have also an m1 carbine and SKS. I'll add a VZ 52 and a Rasheed at some point. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The easiest is probably the MOS Glock. I don't have one nor do I have any experience with them. I started carrying an RMR prior to the MOS Glocks coming out. Sending a slide off to get milled is easy and I bet the difference in price between buying a new MOS gun and a used Gen 3 + milling the slide is about the same. I sent both of my slides to One Source Tactical and they did a very good job with the milling. I don't agree with some of their business practices so I will not be sending any more slides their way, but that is completely unrelated to the milling they performed on my slides. The red dot is very practical. I chose the RMR for it's durability and the reputation Trijicon already had for the RMR on pistols. I've also already sent my RMR back to Trijicon for service. It took over three years of use to have an issue. The upgrades Trijicon made to my sight make me believe it will last well past three years this time. I think it is very practical for a number of reasons none of which have anything to do with being one of the cool kids. #1 Your eyes can't focus on more than one thing at the same time. I demand to be able to keep my eyes focused on the threat and deliver accurate fire while moving. The red dot enables this better in every way than iron sights. #2 If my glasses come off my head I'm still combat effective. Note however that I'm far sighted. I'm not sure how a near sighted person would be effected, but I can only imagine the dot would be better than iron sights. #3 I'm more combat effective at night with a red dot. You may note that there is a significant amount of night in every 24 hour period. #4 Long distance shots (whatever "long distance" means to you with a pistol) are now easier with less practice for proficiency. #5 The dot is slow to pick up if you look of the dot. If you draw and look for your sights it is automatically in view. #6 I never turn my dot off and I normally don't use the auto brightness setting and I regularly get a year or more out of my battery. #7 I keep a spare battery and an allen wrench in my grip just in case my battery goes out. I need to order some extra screws to keep in there as well. #8 This is starting to get to be a reach, but racking the slide administratively is much easier with the RMR. It becomes a handle. In a one handed situation it is a big handle that I can rack the slide off of anything with. A wall, my belt, my boot, a car, the floor, the table...etc The RMR does not care what you hit it on. Other things usually care more about being hit with it. There are also some cons to using a red dot. #1 You are changing the slide mass and that might require some tuning. #2 Holster options are reduced. #3 The emitter on the RMR is exposed and drizzle is my biggest concern. Rain is surprisingly not that big of a deal because it flows off the glass and drains out the holes. Drizzle just kinda sits on the glass. I use lots of Rain X. #4 It's expensive #5 It's harder to sell a milled gun. I've never tried to sell one of my milled guns, but I can only imagine the number of buyers is less than for a stock gun. #6 It is ever so slightly larger for concealment. For AIWB I don't think it is a big deal. If someone see's your gun printing a little bit and says something, you just tell them it's a colostomy bag and they need mind their business. Add cuss words to make your point stronger if required. That's all I can think off at this time. If you are near Clarksville I'd be willing to let you shoot my gun before you take the plunge because it is a big investment.