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I think a handgun should come with 1-2 magazines with the option of buying 2-4 more at a significant discount at the time of purchase. 

No one "throws in" anything. There's no such thing as free.

  That will never happen, especially when the general mentality is "lowest monthly payment possible".

Yeah, but Randall... You can't brag to your neighbor that you have a $40k truck and a $65k boat either.   That has to be worth the $1500/month payment :)

Everybody gets punished when the idiots come out.

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If you don't think a truck or boat is worth it, don't buy it. I don't get why so many get so worked up over what someone else spends for a vehicle. Vehicles are expensive, yes. It's only going to get worse.

Ha! Friend of mine was just telling me what a great deal on his new truck. Ford F-350, 2015, diesel big ass engine 4 wheel drive all the goodies, etc,blah,blah. Listed at $65,00 and he was so thrilled to bring it home at $56,000. What the hell are people smoking?

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Then buy used, let the other guy pay

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I know there are a couple guys here that are shall we say anti-confederate. That is fine.   Now on the war of northern aggression many think everyone who wore the gray was fighting to protect slavery. They are not aware most Yankees did not want to end slavery, were more racist than most southerners and did not want blacks in the north. They often are not aware the vast majority who fought for the south did not own slaves ( like 95% or more) on top of that a key issue was simply people not liking Yankees telling us how to run our lives.   Now they think we fought a four year, brother against brother war over slavery? What do they think we would do over trying to fool with our guns? Hell lots of Yankees would be joining us from places like PA and western NY.     I think they will be getting a southern welcome they soon won't forget. On top of that you have a nation that is letting illegal immigration go on uncontrolled as well as third world immigration eroding our culture. They really think people will stand by for that?

Me either, mine certainly never looks that good.... hehe   I give new meaning to "BUTCHER" when it comes to processing.

God blessed me with an unexpected Christmas bonus...I then received a solicitation from KARM asking for donations to help provide Christmas Dinner...100 children of God will be fed not because of me but thanks to "yet another coincidence" if you believe in such things :-)

Ideally, none.  I'd generally prefer a cylinder, instead. :D   To answer the question, though, I think a new semiauto pistol should include two magazines.  Being that some problems with such firearms can be largely magazine related I have to wonder how many times a 'defective' new pistol could be 'repaired' simply by using a different magazine.  I know that one could simply go and buy a second mag to make sure that isn't the problem before sending it back under warranty, trading it or whatever but who wants to buy a second mag separately only to find out that the mag isn't the problem?

Quote "This is getting out of control now."   Yes it is but only because he is running out of time and getting desperate to get something passed or get around the 2nd Amendment before he is out of office. That is also why it is so very important that his office is not filled with the Hildebeast next election or she will walk in his foot steps..............jmho

I think 2. If I want more, then I can buy more and usually do, but for many people that is enough, home protection for instance. The more mags supplied the higher the price will be on the initial purchase. Why should non sport or competition shooters pay for mags they won't ever use or need, is my thinking.

Nonsense. Old books depicting the good old days will have long since been burned by the State...

  Well Haslam was an anti-gun Mayor, a Bloomberg toadie but since he represents on the entire state of Tennessee as Governor he wouldn't dare EO an anti-gun policy. Write him an insist he EO's some things we are wanting like, remove the criminal penalty for carrying past a sign, require the business to tell you to leave first. That's a starter but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him to do that. I would however love to hear the liberals scream and yell, "you don't have the authority to do that with an EO."

  Well crap, I need to take it down then.  

The author of the New Republic article is some smarmy hipster chick who lives in Toronto... wtf does she know about guns or US issues anyway? She only wishes she was American. Phoebe Maltz Bovy?? Hopefully she will be the one to personally initiate the door-to-door confiscation process? Or not. Looking at her smirk, I think I just threw up a little in my mouth. Not exactly somebody I'd want to wake up next to after a drunken party...

Universal background checks (UBC) is just a stepping stone to registration. The only way to make sure that people aren't transferring without background checks is to have an auditable inventory for everyone...that's what they'll say after UBC is law.

In all honesty I think Obama knows exactly what he is doing. The politicians and news Medias that say Obama doesn't have a clue what he is doing I think are all wrong. He does know what he is doing and he is doing exactly what he wants to do and that is to weaken America in every way possible and it is working to a point. The only thing he has not been able to do is disarm the American people and that is what is preventing him from making his entire plan work. "An American with a gun behind every blade of Grass" was what prevented an invasion of the Japanese right after Pearl Harbor and that was back in 1941. That was a quote from an Imperial Japanese Admiral aboard  a Japanese aircraft that was steaming back to Japan from Pearl harbor when he was asked why they did not attack the American homeland. I would be afraid to try and count all the guns behind blades of grass in this country now but you can bet it's a lot more than back in 1941..................jmho

Far enough into the future, if we still have government, probably any of them. :ugh:   - OS

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Send it back to benchmade, they will fix it under warranty.  But, that doesn't mean you can't get a new one too.

Found this video and thought a few of you might like to see it.   https://youtu.be/wQtfNMyWZaE

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https://www.nraila.org/articles/20151211/gun-control-supporters-unhinged-new-republic-says-ban-guns-all-of-them     Inspired by last week’s New York Times front-page editorial calling for the confiscation of “large categories of weapons and ammunition,” a new article in the progressive-agenda magazine, New Republic, says that banning only some guns, but not all, is not enough. “It’s time to ban guns. Yes, all of them. . . . Get rid of guns in homes, and on the streets, and, as much as possible, on police. . . . Not just certain guns. Not just already-technically-illegal guns. All of them.” Objectionable though they are, there’s nothing new about the Times’ and New Republics’ anti-gun opinions per se, however. It’s not news that some gun control supporters want all guns banned. It’s been that way for years. The difference is, gun control supporters used to pretend they were interested only in “reasonable” and “commonsense” gun control restrictions. Now they are telling everyone what they have always really wanted. Things sure have changed. Consider the difference in the tactics of Democrat presidential candidates over the last several elections. When they were running for president, Bill Clinton, John Kerry and even Barack Obama tried to assuage voters’ concerns about their positions on guns by posing for photographs holding shotguns. In 2008, Hillary Clinton did the same sort of thing in her run for the Democratic presidential nomination. CNN reported Clinton saying at the time, “You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl.” But running for the Democrat nomination today, Clinton says that gun control opponents are like terrorists and shouldn’t be allowed to have their opinions. Asked during a debate with fellow Democrat candidates “which enemy are you most proud of,” Clinton responded, “the NRA,” along with “Republicans” and several others. Time magazine notes, Clinton is “calling for a ‘national movement’ to ‘stand up to the NRA’ and lambasting Republicans for voting against gun control legislation.” It quotes Clinton saying, “What is wrong with us, that we cannot stand up to the NRA and the gun lobby, and the gun manufacturers they represent? We need to act and we need to build a movement.” It’s easy to see how things have changed. But why have they changed? For one thing, since his reelection, President Obama has dropped his pro-gun pretenses, coming out strongly for banning “assault weapons” and magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, requiring background checks on private sales, and banning the purchase of firearms by anyone on secret government lists.  Where an anti-gun president will go, his anti-gun adherents will certainly follow. However, Time says the reason for the change in anti-gun tactics is even bigger than that. “The Democratic Party at large has shifted,” it says. Moreover, “gun control advocates are more organized and better-funded than at any time in at least the last two decades. Groups such as Everytown for Gun Safety, bankrolled by billionaire Michael Bloomberg, and Americans for Responsible Solutions, former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’ super PAC, are spending millions to counteract the NRA.” Anti-gun college professor Adam Winkler adds, “Democrats are starting to believe that a strong statement on gun control will motivate the [Democrat] base.” Apparently, gun control supporters think this is their time in history, that they have the momentum, and that their victory is inevitable. Then again, something on the order of 100 million American adults, living in just under half of American households, own well over 300 million guns, including well over 100 million handguns and easily well over 10 million detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles, such as the AR-15, which gun control supporters call “assault weapons.” And FBI data indicate that the annual number of gun purchases has been greater during the last four years than ever before. If gun control supporters are unhinged now, imagine the state they will be in if that many gun owners come together to defeat Hillary Clinton and awake them from their anti-gun dreams on Election Day 2016.  

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I am just a big ol walking contradiction...

If the public will ban together, and not buy, then this will drive down market price.  As long as we are willing to pay, then the market is the market. 

No I did not get a .40 you smug bastards. I actually let go of my Glock 29 and 30 - as sad as I am to let Glocks go those subcompact fat frames dont bode well with me. Traded both for a RIA Tactical 1911 and a Sig P220. So I became a hypocrite and got myself another Sig and a RIA lol. The wife loves the Sig, and gave me the look of "really? Thought you hated these" Never getting a .40 though. Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk

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Well...to be fair, I carry it clipped on the pocket, and carry very little in my pocket. And since my retirement, it doesn't get the use it once did.

One. That's all it takes to make one function properly, and most people never use more than one anyway. Anything more would be a waste for most handgun sales, and would only serve to drive up the price.   Extra magazines are available for virtually all current model pistols if one wants to purchase more.

I have a S.P.E.W. and like it pretty well for what it is. I noticed you said 'working knife', though, and so I am not sure that would be your best option. See, the tip on the S.P.E.W. is very pointy - as in needle sharp. This would undoubtedly make it great if one needed to 'get stabby' but also makes it a little weak for 'work' tasks, IMO. For example, while I realize a knife isn't a pry bar, I bent the tip on mine simply using it to try and help me get a couple of AA batteries out of a portable radio (I am bad about biting my fingernails so I don't really have any to work with.) I was able to bend it back into place but quit carrying it as much after that since I carry a knife more as a tool than as a self-defense option (although if pressed I'd do what I had to do.). If you are looking for a variation of that blade style, CRKT makes a more 'traditional' Wharncliffe/sheepsfoot type kneck knife in their Minimalist line. I haven't owned one but based on the pics I have seen I would think the tip would be sturdier than that of the S.P.E.W. I wish that CRKT would offer the Minimalist line of blades with grips like the S.P.E.W. because the finger grooves on the Minimalist line don't fit my hand all that well - which is why I currently don't own any. http://www.crkt.com/Folts-Minimalist-Neck-Knife-Razor-Sharp-Edge If you decide to consider folding blades, a good option for something less expensive than your Benchmade to use as a working knife - if you aren't set on a neck knife - might be an Ontario RAT 1. I have owned one for a few months but haven't carried that one. You can now find these knives at some Walmart locations (apparently not all locations have them.) In fact, I bought a second one just yesterday at the Walmart in Sweetwater and it is in my pocket as I type this. I think I paid $29 and change for it. I ordered my first one from Amazon. The actual price from Amazon is a few dollars less, I believe, but unless you add other things to the order you will have to pay shipping so it pretty much evens out - plus I do like having an item in hand at the time of purchase. The reason I haven't really carried my first Rat 1 is that I have been carrying a Spyderco Resilience that I got in the same Amazon order. I like that knife a lot and will probably still carry it a lot in rotation with the RAT 1 after I carry the RAT enough to know how much I am really going to like it. Anyhow, the Resilience is another knife I would recommend you take a look at as a working knife if you decide to opt for a folder, instead although it is larger than some folks want in a folder (although I like the larger size, myself.) Next, although I this might get me disowned around here, I have decided that I like the Gerber/Bear Grylls paracord knife as a neck knife. Now, don't start throwing stuff at me just yet. See, I have tried the S.P.E.W. as well as a Cold Steel Mini-Tac Skinner and a Cold Steel Mini-Tac Beavertail. I have already mentioned the problem I had with the S.P.E.W. My problems with the Cold Steel knives are 1. No matter how sharp I get the darned things they seem to get dull just sitting unused in the sheaths (my Beavertail is better about this than my Skinner) and 2. the sheaths for the Mini-Tacs take up so much real estate that I figure I had might as well carry a larger, sturdier knife. I didn't buy the paracord knife specifically to use for neck carry. The included, removable belt loop can be set up for different carry styles. I actually bought it with scout carry in mind and it worked well for that but I decided I like the Buck Pack-Lite large skinner in my home-made kydex sheath better for that. The paracord knife is fairly thick for its size. I generally reprofile most knives to have a convex edge. I did that to the paracord knife and the steel on mine was hard enough to require a lot of work to do so. Now that I have the edge I want, however, it seems to stay sharp as long as I give it a couple of passes over an old, leather belt after carrying it. According to Amazon, the overall length of the paracord knife is 7.75 inches so it is just a little longer than the ideal you mentioned in your OP with a blade length of 3.25 inches. It is what I would call a modified drop-point design. http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-Grylls-Paracord-Fixed-31-001683/dp/B008FM04OC I ditched the bright orange paracord on mine, replacing it with a color I like better. I also did what I could with some sandpaper to try and get rid of the ridiculous, obnoxious 'BG' logo on the sheath (now printed on both sides.) After that, I don't think the knife looks half bad and I think it is a pretty decent blade, overall - especially for the price. Mine looks like this, now (except that I have taken the belt loop off of the sheath and it also has paracord through the two end grommets for use as a neck knife) : Speaking of the Pak-Lite line, those might be another inexpensive option for you to consider. The nylon sheath they come with isn't the best nor is the skeletonized handle. As I mentioned, though, I didn't care about the sheath because I wanted to make a kydex scout-carry style sheath for it, anyway. I also did sort of a 'basket-weave' paracord handle wrap on mine - as shown in the picture below. Unfortunately, where I work I can't carry a fixed blade but have carried both the Pak-Lite and the Gerber paracord knife on several occasions outside of work enough to say that I like them both as small, fixed-blade 'beater' knives for less than the cost of an Izula, etc. (although I am interested in trying out something like an Izula or a Becker Necker, etc. at some point.) A better view of the 'basketweave' paracord handle I did:

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So far so good, I defleshed the head taking off as much soft tissue as I could get out. Lesson learned, make sure the pot is hot enough. I wasted a few hours bathing it instead of simmering, but it went faster when the heat was turned up. The most difficult area was in the nose cavity, at first I tried to save as much bone as I could but there is so much tissue in there that I finally just pulled out a few of the thinner rollpin looking bones. I was worried about the nose ridge and the roof of his mouth because of how thin they are but they it came out OK. Here is a pic of after the defleshing and one with the peroxide cream doing its thing. Edit: Figured I would add the completed mount

The left will lie, cheat or steal our gun rights if we let them. Every time someone sneezes these dipsticks want more gun control. If the loser in chief would do his job instead of undermining the middle class America we would be much better off.

I don't think Glocks are going to go up in value but there will be people that collect them. In general, I don't think a polymer handgun is going hold up for 100 years.

Of course not.  It has to be a slow erosion just like with health care.  They couldn't come right out and say individual health insurance is illegal and we're going to single payer, they had to write legislation that would slowly kill the private sector and now look at the "progress" in just a few years.  :shake:

Remington Etronix High quality peice of crap that was a major fail.

I'd rather have one Sig 220 than 2 Glocks. Getting the 1911 too makes it a no-brainer.

If your knocking at my door selling something, your bothering me, so I don't have to be "nice".

I LOVE the pen holder!

http://www.amazon.com/Gripmaster-Exerciser-Medium-Tension-7-Pounds/dp/B0006GC5D8/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1449882445&sr=1-1&keywords=gripmaster+medium   I recommend the Medium.  It's cheaper than a trigger job or modifying the gun.

If a couple BG's burst into a room where you're sitting around a table and start banging away with rifles.... honestly, you're pretty much f__ked.  It's up to God or fate or whatever you believe in to get you out of that one.    Awareness is about the only take-away I can come up with.  As I understand it, these folks were at a "holiday" (read Christmas) party and the Muslim guy in the office left pissed off (shock).  I get the impression no one in there would have ever dreamed he'd come back with a friend to kill them all.  Be aware where-ever you are.  Always know where the exits are.  Always know what might work as cover (which is pretty much nothing in a typical office building).   Maybe improving your draw/fire time is another take-away.  Seconds count.  Fractions of seconds count. 

I'd get one specific to the model.  You might have to order it, but there are plenty of options out there for that pistol - including one made by Desantis.   We're it me, I'd check out D.M. Bullard's offerings.